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thrown under the bus by a former coworker

puffff

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a year ago i was working at one of those investment banks that got swallowed up due to the financial crisis (not that hard to figure out which if you really want to know). part of my job was to create reports and scripts for various managers of business units.

i'm at a different company now, but couple days ago i got a call from one of those business managers asking about a script i had written for him. he needed a small change made and was trying to get the consultant that had taken over for me to make that change. problem was, no one could find my script, as most of the guys had left or been let go in.

we talked for a bit about how we were doing, then i told him the server and the directory they should look in. couple hours later, he called back saying the consultant was still having problems and would i mind replying to an email if he forwarded it to me.

looking through the email thread, i notice the consultant had thrown in this bit:

Systems are usually documented, and technology managers are usually all over the younger guys to make sure that anyone can find information easily. Unfortunately, this was not the case with this set of jobs


ticked me off a bit, since
a) it was documented, just probably lost after the mass exodus of personnel
b) our directory structures were very logical and made documentation was almost unnecessary. file naming conventions were also very logical.
c) i gave you the directory to look in and the probable file name. there were probably no more than a dozen scripts in there, and each script was probably no more than a hundred lines. not that hard to figure out.
d) i worked with this guy when i was there. he ought to have known how things worked and where to find them.

anyways, maybe it happens all the time.. where people try to pin their incompetence on departed coworkers. another real world lesson i guess.
 

JDub02

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rule #1 of being a screwup - place the blame on the person least likely to invalidate your claim.
 

MotF Bane

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You aren't working there anymore, so go ahead and say whatever you want back to him. Be polite and support your reasons, but there's nothing to stop you from explaining why he's a dumbass.
 

Genx87

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Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

 

imported_Imp

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Do a reply all, I'm sure you remember the Outlook code for all staff' at that place. What are they gonna do, fire you?
 

MrMatt

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I'd fwd the email to the coworker who had contacted you in the first place, with a reply stating what you said in the OP, and telling the consultant that if they're going to be snarky, they can figure it out for themselves.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
You aren't working there anymore, so go ahead and say whatever you want back to him. Be polite and support your reasons, but there's nothing to stop you from explaining why he's a dumbass.

This AND... why are you even helping them? Unless they are going to pay you, you have done more then is required.
 

zebano

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and if not reply all, make sure you at least involve his higher ups. There is no reason for your reputation to take that hit unless it's deserved.
 

puffff

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

the consultant i couldn't give a rat's ass about. but i'm more than willing to be helpful to the business managers there. no point in burning those bridges, and maybe even reinforcing them once in a while.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

lol $75? More like $275.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

the consultant i couldn't give a rat's ass about. but i'm more than willing to be helpful to the business managers there. no point in burning those bridges, and maybe even reinforcing them once in a while.

Even if they throw you under the bus? You sure about that? :disgust: I know times are hard but that's pathetic.

The original meaning of "burning a bridge" was tp prevent your own troops from retreating in fear thus forcing them to press on, come what may.


Saw where it was the consultatant that threw you under. Is the consultant an ex coworker or the business manager?
Your title suggests that it was the BUSINESS MANAGERs you still know that did you wrong.


 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

/thread


You were NICE ENOUGH to do the guy a favor and say "Look in the X drive under finanancial/scripts/bob/scripts" or whatever and he's stupid enough to ask you to do MORE? Screw him...see Genx87's post, above.
 

Kelvrick

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Seems obvious to me that they were both coworkers and the consultant threw OP under the bus.

Reply back, help out the business manager and throw the consultant under the bus about how incompetent he is. That'd be the way things should work, but instead, you should just show how it wasn't your fault and help the business manager. A good business manager should hopefully recognize this, but it doesn't work that way either. Which brings us back to revenge on the consultant and throwing him under a larger bus.
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Seems obvious to me that they were both coworkers and the consultant threw OP under the bus.

Reply back, help out the business manager and throw the consultant under the bus about how incompetent he is. That'd be the way things should work, but instead, you should just show how it wasn't your fault and help the business manager. A good business manager should hopefully recognize this, but it doesn't work that way either. Which brings us back to revenge on the consultant and throwing him under a larger bus.

Morally, I agree with you. But the OP is neither obligated (legally) nor liable (he doesn't work there anymore) to help anyone at his old company. Why should he CONTINUE to help his old manager after he/she demonstrates he's just another suit with no idea how the nuts and bolts work?

Unless...he's hoping for a reference. I'm not one to burn bridges, but I'll only stick my neck out so far when there's nothing in it for me.
 

puffff

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

the consultant i couldn't give a rat's ass about. but i'm more than willing to be helpful to the business managers there. no point in burning those bridges, and maybe even reinforcing them once in a while.

Even if they throw you under the bus? You sure about that? :disgust: I know times are hard but that's pathetic.

The original meaning of "burning a bridge" was tp prevent your own troops from retreating in fear thus forcing them to press on, come what may.


Saw where it was the consultatant that threw you under. Is the consultant an ex coworker or the business manager?
Your title suggests that it was the BUSINESS MANAGERs you still know that did you wrong.

sorry if i was unclear.. the consultant is the ex-coworker. the business manager forwarded me the email thread in which the consultant/ex-coworker tried pinning it on me. i didnt get the impression that the business manager thought bad of me, in fact he was surprised i still remembered the stuff and was appreciative of my help.
 

SagaLore

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Update the script for them.

Add logic bomb to script that activates on bus thrower's birthday, sending goatse images to everyone in the company from his email address.

Profit.
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Update the script for them.

Add logic bomb to script that activates on bus thrower's birthday, sending goatse images to everyone in the company from his email address.

Profit.

Oooooh. 10MB, .tiff, full-screen images? That lock out CTRL_ALT_DLT so you have to hard boot the box? Oooh...me likey. Think of the shock value! :D
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Genx87
Next time they want help bring this up and tell them you are charging 75\hour for consulting services to help them.

the consultant i couldn't give a rat's ass about. but i'm more than willing to be helpful to the business managers there. no point in burning those bridges, and maybe even reinforcing them once in a while.

Even if they throw you under the bus? You sure about that? :disgust: I know times are hard but that's pathetic.

The original meaning of "burning a bridge" was tp prevent your own troops from retreating in fear thus forcing them to press on, come what may.


Saw where it was the consultatant that threw you under. Is the consultant an ex coworker or the business manager?
Your title suggests that it was the BUSINESS MANAGERs you still know that did you wrong.

sorry if i was unclear.. the consultant is the ex-coworker. the business manager forwarded me the email thread in which the consultant/ex-coworker tried pinning it on me. i didnt get the impression that the business manager thought bad of me, in fact he was surprised i still remembered the stuff and was appreciative of my help.

In all seriousness you should be charging them money for any help you offer. Tell them that if they need your help they can hire you on as a consultant. Helping them for free is just basically your work going to the other consultant's pocket, you're basically working for free and helping the guy that threw you underneath the bus.
 

wheresmybacon

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Update the script for them.

Add logic bomb to script that activates on bus thrower's birthday, sending goatse images to everyone in the company from his email address.

Profit.

^this
 

oiprocs

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Forget about it. It's over, you're somewhere else, who cares what that loser thinks.