n: I fail to see how directing my anger inward is going to change anything?[/quote]
M: I can understand that. There is a paradox at the core of human nature, the lack of understanding of which creates misunderstandings.
Simply put we were put down as children and made to feel worthless. Nobody can survive with those feelings conscious all the time. Our memories were repressed and forgotten, pushed out of conscious awareness. But the hate that was directed at us, we internalized. We hate ourselves. That hate can only be allowed to express itself now in the form of projection onto others. We are deeply angry at ourselves but we are only conscious of, only permit ourselves to feel that rage externally.
That anger can come out, as I suggested, in the nutty opinions expressed in this thread, three strikes for corporations etc. One can be seduced by such nonsense much more easily if one is under the delusion that what angers us is out there rather than old wounds. The point of self awareness is to free us from the insanity of reactive unconsciousness. If you know you feel worthless and attack anything that actually suggests that to you, you will only be a robot, a mechanical anger machine.
But if you know you feel worthless and anybody who tells you that will set off that rage, when it is set off you have an option. You can react like a fool and or see that the attack simply stimulated feelings you already have and to which, since you already feel them, you needn't defend yourself against them.
Consciousness brings choice. Also, if you have a therapeutic situation you can go into, you have an opportunity to actually see where those feeling lead and where they may have come from.
Finally, if and when you step off this hideous wheel of karma, you can actually do something to redress things that piss you off, things that may actually be real evils. If you can keep your own madness out of your reactions you can maybe do something sane, like apply pressure on your elected officials to start demanding that white crime get a just sentences. Politicians respond to pressure when that pressure threatens their jobs, no?
M: I can understand that. There is a paradox at the core of human nature, the lack of understanding of which creates misunderstandings.
Simply put we were put down as children and made to feel worthless. Nobody can survive with those feelings conscious all the time. Our memories were repressed and forgotten, pushed out of conscious awareness. But the hate that was directed at us, we internalized. We hate ourselves. That hate can only be allowed to express itself now in the form of projection onto others. We are deeply angry at ourselves but we are only conscious of, only permit ourselves to feel that rage externally.
That anger can come out, as I suggested, in the nutty opinions expressed in this thread, three strikes for corporations etc. One can be seduced by such nonsense much more easily if one is under the delusion that what angers us is out there rather than old wounds. The point of self awareness is to free us from the insanity of reactive unconsciousness. If you know you feel worthless and attack anything that actually suggests that to you, you will only be a robot, a mechanical anger machine.
But if you know you feel worthless and anybody who tells you that will set off that rage, when it is set off you have an option. You can react like a fool and or see that the attack simply stimulated feelings you already have and to which, since you already feel them, you needn't defend yourself against them.
Consciousness brings choice. Also, if you have a therapeutic situation you can go into, you have an opportunity to actually see where those feeling lead and where they may have come from.
Finally, if and when you step off this hideous wheel of karma, you can actually do something to redress things that piss you off, things that may actually be real evils. If you can keep your own madness out of your reactions you can maybe do something sane, like apply pressure on your elected officials to start demanding that white crime get a just sentences. Politicians respond to pressure when that pressure threatens their jobs, no?
Fern
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First, people should bear in the mind the difference between civil (tort) law violations vs criminal.
Many of the things you complain about wrt corporations are civil.
3 strikes/habitual felon rules do not apply to civil infractions, only criminal. In most cases, the felonies must be violent.
Also, the 3 strikes rule etc is a state law, and not all states have it. There are laws about how states may (not) prosecute corporations for some infractions unless the corp is HQ'd in that state. So all it would take is one state NOT having 3 strikes laws and corporations would just relocate (re-incorporate) there to avoid the problem.
I don't see how you put corporations in prison for life, something similar would have to be a nulification of their charter, which does exist BTW. Otherwise, if you mean that the penalty should escalate higher (as in many states' 3 strikes laws) that already exists. Many penalties that corporations face escalate for further infractions.
So much of what you want either already exists, is inapplicable (civil vs criminal) or is not possible (life imprisonment).
IMO, in severe cases I think it better to focus on getting the specific executive personally punished anyway, otherwise (innocent & unknowing) shareholders bear the punishment and that makes little-to-no sense to me.
Fern
The history of Acne, LLC:
- Bob the janitor rapes a passerby on the back lawn one night
- Sam the accountant embezzles from accounts into his offshore
- Tim, an upper-level manager, flies into a rage one day and hits his secretary with a paperweight, leading to assault charges
Three strikes. The US owns Acne, LLC now.
Now, how are you going to differentiate a corporation's crimes from its members' crimes, eh? Simply put, you can't.
- Bob the janitor rapes a passerby on the back lawn one night
- Sam the accountant embezzles from accounts into his offshore
- Tim, an upper-level manager, flies into a rage one day and hits his secretary with a paperweight, leading to assault charges
Three strikes. The US owns Acne, LLC now.
Now, how are you going to differentiate a corporation's crimes from its members' crimes, eh? Simply put, you can't.
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