Three more good policies from the democrats with Bush opposing

Craig234

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Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)
 

miketheidiot

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Just about everyone at least starts out good, however we'll see how the momentum maintains over the coming years. The current congress is doing quite well, though.
 

Craig234

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I have to disagree - the republicans started out bad, IMO, under Bush. To be fair, they did make a few token efforts in 1994, which mostly did not pass and were abandoned.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Just about everyone at least starts out good, however we'll see how the momentum maintains over the coming years. The current congress is doing quite well, though.
What has actually been passed through both house and senate so far? I haven't been following real closely, but I thought the house had passed everything in the super-important agenda right away but none of it got past the senate. I'm also still waiting for a budget so I can actually get some stuff done at work again, but that appears to be on the distant horizon...
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

If they're passing with overwhelming numbers, that must mean that *gasp* Republicans are voting for them as well, which means it's not just Democrats.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: Craig234
I have to disagree - the republicans started out bad, IMO, under Bush. To be fair, they did make a few token efforts in 1994, which mostly did not pass and were abandoned.

Yeah, its not like they forced Clinton into accepting Welfare reform, which he smartly portrayed as his own idea.

I always like the idea of a Congress controlled by the party NOT IN the White House. That usually makes it much harder for either side to blow our money down whatever rat hole they come up with.


As for Presidential papers, Bush was wrong with this order. Anything other than classified information should be public property shorty after the end of a President's term. Some conservative he is, he won't let us see stuff but wants the government to see everything? Hello?!

 

Jhhnn

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From CycloWizard-

What has actually been passed through both house and senate so far? I haven't been following real closely, but I thought the house had passed everything in the super-important agenda right away but none of it got past the senate.

Dems don't have the required 60 votes to force anything in the Senate...

Nor are they known for lock-stepping in formation like their repub counterparts...
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From CycloWizard-

What has actually been passed through both house and senate so far? I haven't been following real closely, but I thought the house had passed everything in the super-important agenda right away but none of it got past the senate.

Dems don't have the required 60 votes to force anything in the Senate...

Nor are they known for lock-stepping in formation like their repub counterparts...

hahahahahahahahahah

that last comment was beyond silly.

the party in the minority usually has to be in unity to prevent stuff they don't like passing, when a party is in the majority its members suddenly don't feel as obligated.

So, yeah the democrats are just in lockstep with each other when they needed to be as the Republicans are now.

They are both playing the part the other party was playing before the election.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Craig234
[Topic Title: Three more good policies from the democrats with Bush opposing
Topic Summary: Good government from the democrats

Nice job on the Title to combat all the America Hating resident Republican thread Titles :thumbsup:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ntdz

If they're passing with overwhelming numbers, that must mean that *gasp* Republicans are voting for them as well, which means it's not just Democrats.

Well which is it? Are the Dems getting nothing done like you and your ilk keep posting or are they doing an awesome job with "overwhelming numbers".

It's funny watching the resident Republicans have become the ultimate in being real Flip Floppers.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Craig234
[Topic Title: Three more good policies from the democrats with Bush opposing
Topic Summary: Good government from the democrats

Nice job on the Title to combat all the America Hating resident Republican thread Titles :thumbsup:

take lessons
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From CycloWizard-

What has actually been passed through both house and senate so far? I haven't been following real closely, but I thought the house had passed everything in the super-important agenda right away but none of it got past the senate.

Dems don't have the required 60 votes to force anything in the Senate...

Nor are they known for lock-stepping in formation like their repub counterparts...

hahahahahahahahahah

that last comment was beyond silly.

the party in the minority usually has to be in unity to prevent stuff they don't like passing, when a party is in the majority its members suddenly don't feel as obligated.

So, yeah the democrats are just in lockstep with each other when they needed to be as the Republicans are now.

They are both playing the part the other party was playing before the election.
Sheer and utter nonsense. One of the things that has hampered today's Democratic party is that it remains a collection of individuals who think for themselves. The Republicans, on the other hand, have more and more adopted a hive mentality where every Congressman is required to conform to the leadership's positions, and even to parrot the exact same talking points. Those with the temerity to speak their own minds are ostracized. While that is undoubtedly good partisan politics, it is lousy leadership and dangerous public policy. It is also distinctly un-American. We need thoughful, principled leaders who will base decisions on right and wrong, not mindless drones who unfailingly vote along party lines.
 

Jaskalas

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What sort of documents have been sealed that Democrats want full access to?

Generally I am in favor of the idea of an open government, because it helps force it to be honest. So until I learn otherwise, props to the Dems for doing something right.

It is a shame that you?ll continue to grow the power which can abuse and reverse this bill later. The patriot act was not born from a limited capitalist government, but from our bloated socialist government. That is a lesson you need to learn or else all your attempts to combat corruption are for nothing.
 

Lemon law

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I am in agreement with Craig234, these are important bills that should be passed. We are now roughly in the same place that Rome was at the time of Julius Ceasar. While our system of government better fitted a simpler and smaller government, a somewhat stronger executive branch is needed for a super power. But GWB&co. is grabbing far too much power and pushing our government towards a police state. Its almost a disguised blessing that GWB&co. is so incompetent, because his results daily reminds us of the dangers of allowing too much power into the hands of the executive.

But the battle lines are now forming between the executive and the congress as congress now reasserts the power its been all to eagerly forfeiting. And the main congressional weapon will be the committee hearing---with congress now holding all the aces in being able to pick and choose what
executive branch abuses to concentrate on.

My fear is that an annoyed but not sufficiently weakened GWB&co. will strike back and cross the metaphorical Rubicon---and seize absolute power. The other danger is that the democrats will go to far in what amounts to a game of chicken and thereby plunge the country into defacto anarchy. Or the passage of ill thought out legislation that weakens the executive branch to a greater extent than necessary.

But my read of the tea leaves is that the train wreck is coming---and which side will back down?
 

thraashman

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations. Which is why you see more votes that Bush doesn't agree with but that have a huge majority voting for.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations.
Come on now, you can't coincide incompetent with Nazi. What would be more accurate is comparing the Administration with Carter's Administration. I wonder if the next Republican nominee will have the Dub campaign for them. My guess is that they won't.

 

thraashman

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations.
Come on now, you can't coincide incompetent with Nazi.

The desire to do as much as possible to hide the truth from the public fits very well with the Nazi party. I'm amazed that there hasn't been book burnings or maybe like Washington Post and Al Franken book burnings.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz

If they're passing with overwhelming numbers, that must mean that *gasp* Republicans are voting for them as well, which means it's not just Democrats.

Well which is it? Are the Dems getting nothing done like you and your ilk keep posting or are they doing an awesome job with "overwhelming numbers".

It's funny watching the resident Republicans have become the ultimate in being real Flip Floppers.

You call these bills doing something? How about something that affects the country, such as what they ran on? Why not raise taxes and pull troops out of Iraq like they promised?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations.
Come on now, you can't coincide incompetent with Nazi.

The desire to do as much as possible to hide the truth from the public fits very well with the Nazi party. I'm amazed that there hasn't been book burnings or maybe like Washington Post and Al Franken book burnings.
Now your a just being ridiculous and playing right into the hands of the Right. When you spout nonsense like that you are given them credence when they call you guys delusional extremists. You'd be better off and more correct if you just called them corrupt.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: Craig234
Link to news story

- Nullify the 2001 Bush order to let Presidents - and heirs - forever seal their records, which hid his father's presidential papers from release (hello, Iran Contra).

Bush said he'd veto.

I've always strongly disagreed with his action. The vote was 333-93, a veto-proof margin that shows bi-partisan agreement.

- Whistleblower protection

Another absolutely important law for good government, the vote was again bi-partisan and veto-proof, 331-94.

Bush said he would veto.

- Speed requests for Freedom of Information Act

The Bush administration has restricted access. This would help.

Bush said he would not endorse the bill but not did say he'd veto. Large margin again.

So, we have democrats for restoring access to presidential papers, protecting whistleblowers, and giving the public info on what the government is doing.

Bush is against all and threatens vetoes for two - the veto being something he did only once in six years, allowing all kinds of terrible things to pass.

Just another set of info on why the democrats are the good government party, at least far more than the republicans

(Though the repubs voting for these get some credit. But they did not pass these in their nearly six years while running Congress, so they're not really for them as much.)

I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations.
Come on now, you can't coincide incompetent with Nazi.

The desire to do as much as possible to hide the truth from the public fits very well with the Nazi party. I'm amazed that there hasn't been book burnings or maybe like Washington Post and Al Franken book burnings.
Now your a just being ridiculous and playing right into the hands of the Right. When you spout nonsense like that you are given them credence when they call you guys delusional extremists. You'd be better off and more correct if you just called them corrupt.

:thumbsup: for you

Maybe you aren't as big of a looney lib as I thought you were.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From CycloWizard-

What has actually been passed through both house and senate so far? I haven't been following real closely, but I thought the house had passed everything in the super-important agenda right away but none of it got past the senate.

Dems don't have the required 60 votes to force anything in the Senate...

Nor are they known for lock-stepping in formation like their repub counterparts...

hahahahahahahahahah

that last comment was beyond silly.

the party in the minority usually has to be in unity to prevent stuff they don't like passing, when a party is in the majority its members suddenly don't feel as obligated.

So, yeah the democrats are just in lockstep with each other when they needed to be as the Republicans are now.

They are both playing the part the other party was playing before the election.
Sheer and utter nonsense. One of the things that has hampered today's Democratic party is that it remains a collection of individuals who think for themselves. The Republicans, on the other hand, have more and more adopted a hive mentality where every Congressman is required to conform to the leadership's positions, and even to parrot the exact same talking points. Those with the temerity to speak their own minds are ostracized. While that is undoubtedly good partisan politics, it is lousy leadership and dangerous public policy. It is also distinctly un-American. We need thoughful, principled leaders who will base decisions on right and wrong, not mindless drones who unfailingly vote along party lines.

so explain RINOs?

It is simply a function of being a majority party. When the Demorcats didn't have a majority they had to get along and they did walk lockstep together in order to foil Republican aims.

Now that they have a majority they are not threatened, they can now all ask for their turn at the slop bucket and bargain for it. They can now take out all their petty differences without fear of Republican's getting the upper hand.

It is simple politics. both sides are the same. Watch, within a year (though some of it already has come to pass) people will be bitching about what the Democrats are doing. Hell you already have the anti-war Left going after them, watch as each interest group comes along and demands their time in the sun

 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: thraashman
I don't know if you can really call anyone in the Bush admin Republican anymore. His policies much more mirror the Nazi party. And it seems more and more Republicans are realizing it and not just voting with the admin in all situations. Which is why you see more votes that Bush doesn't agree with but that have a huge majority voting for.

It is a guarantee that when someone compares Bush to a NAZI that they have no point. Its the standard fail safe response that the lunatic left always falls back on. But just like racism they don't know what the term means. BDS all the way.