So if someone has an IQ, all other details do not matter? What a horrible world view.
So if someone has an IQ, all other details do not matter? What a horrible world view.
ecogen
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Guess the researchers who published that research I linked didn't know what they were talking about. Hmm.
And btw, something that isn't flawless is by definition flawed. And if your test is flawed your results will be flawed, if your test is biased, your results will be biased. You get the gist.
You're being deliberately obtuse. It doesn't look good on anybody. What part of this do you fail to comprehend?
Yep. It's mathematically possible that all the observed differences could be made up for in the areas other than biological. It's wrong to say that genetics plays plays no role when we know that genetics counts for so much of a person's IQ.
It's also important to note that people are far more than IQ. Just as a weight lifter might be born with strength, he could be a horrible person that does massive damage to society. IQ should not be how we judge the quality of people.
Science is not conflicting with morality here.
Facts are not racist. This is perfectly valid data. Again, IQ should never be the measure of a person. People are far too complex to be able to be measured in that way.
If a racist tries to use the IQ argument to show that x group is infior then the counter is that IQ is just one part of a person. Do not let the fear override reality.
Anyone that thinks they can say one race is on whole superior/inferior to another they are wrong and science does not back any claim of superiority. Valid science cannot be used to justify racism.
Don't tell me- tell Maxima. He drags out the whole IQ schtick every chance he gets.
I will look over it tomorrow. Reply to this post with examples or pm me.
I have no problem calling out racism and will gladly do so.
Okay, here is what I found.
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Disagrees with systemic racism as the main problem.
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Thinks all races can face the same challenges.
Giving an advantage based on race is a bad idea.
Gave personal experience.
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Asked for examples of opposing view.
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Says we spend about the same per pupil even when done by race.
We pay teachers high hourly wages vs private.
Says Black vs White sentences are different because of the crime.
Not valid in terms of measuring systemic racism.
Part of the issue is Blacks not wanting to go outside of community.
Other groups have made large gains with less vs Blacks in the US.
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Education is not an excuse given the money and time that has been spent.
Gave citation where the gap is still large and very slowly closing despite the money and time spent.
Gave citation where social attitudes have greatly changed in terms of cross racial marriage.
Black people are not excluded from colleges.
When you look at the individuals at the same college, Blacks still lag.
Admits there are legacy issues that might help white people, but unsure how much.
Wealthy parents invest in their kids, as well as passing on their genetics.
Places with higher numbers of minorities spend less per student because of density sometimes.
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Says again spending is not the biggest issue.
Responds to police shooting of Blacks.
Points out that 12% of the us population commit about 50% of the homicides in the US (Blacks).
Says his point was to say that illegals coming are not better by the given metrics.
2nd and 3rd gen Hispanics still lag.
Asian progress is not really about education rates.
Again gives graph about interracial marriage.
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*starts to get into genetic differences
Says educational achievement explains about 60% of the variance in western countries.
Even with western education, Blacks still lag.
Affirmative action helps wealthy Black families, and hurts poor White and Asian Families when trying to get into Harvard.
Argues for race neutral policies.
Non race neutral policies build resentment.
Is that accurate?
nakedfrog
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Affirmative action is racism. Every argument for it sounds just like one would expect a racist defending racism to sound like.
soundforbjt
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Have any useful info related to the topic? Any instances of the left exhibiting racism as defined against white Republicans?
Come on Mr. Bothsides, step up.
Sure, every Dem running that supports affirmative action is running, at least partly, on a platform of systematically keeping white males down for nothing more than the color of their skin to promote other non-white, non-males.
Maybe we can start stopping every fifth white person from voting next? Turn them away at the poles, you know, affirmative action voting.
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As ridiculous as this is let's just entertain for a second.
Courts have already shown Republicans are disenfranchising blacks and other minority votes. Let's just say both sides of you answer is a wash.
Still waiting for the racism against white Republicans.
Are you going to respond to my post from earlier? I did all the work you said I should.
Is this the way the left's collective thinking works? If racism exists, institute racism to fight the other racism? You think that's a winning formula?
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affirmative action is a SEPERATE topic.
Let's try to stick to this one. Nice right wing trick, muddy the waters. If you have no Democratic racism against white Republicans, tap out and move on.
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