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Thread to show racism is #bothsides during this campaign season.

HomerJS

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Whenever overt or covert acts of racism are brought up the response in most instances is, well both sides are equally guilty.

Here the chance to prove it. I've already noted numerous examples right leaning groups slurring black Democrats. List in this thread a left leaning or Democrat group disparaging white Republicans solely on the basis of them being white.

Let's just see if it is #bothsides
 
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HomerJS

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Oh come on people, its both sides, right. Both sides equally racist, right?

This thread should be filled with examples. Where are they?
 

HomerJS

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What? Come on folks. Haven't we been lectured too that racism is #bothsides?

We should be up to a few pages by now
 

dank69

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Affirmative action is the real racism and I am not a sheep for saying that. Also Repeal the 13th Amendment, Yeezy for prez in 2024 oh wait Kim said nah motherfucker retract that shit or you out on the street.
 

JSt0rm

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Affirmative action is the real racism and I am not a sheep for saying that. Also Repeal the 13th Amendment, Yeezy for prez in 2024 oh wait Kim said nah motherfucker retract that shit or you out on the street.
affirmative action is a counter balance to systemic racism.
 

Maxima1

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affirmative action is a counter balance to systemic racism.
What is the "systemic racism" that you believe holds them back academically? Groups within the white population (e.g. Jewish people vs. Catholics) have significant differences as do Asian subgroups. But a lot of those differences are attributed to various factors other than racism.
 

dank69

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What is the "systemic racism" that you believe holds them back academically? Groups within the white population (e.g. Jewish people vs. Catholics) have significant differences as do Asian subgroups. But a lot of those differences are attributed to various factors other than racism.
Generations denied access to education. The first 5 years of a child's life are HUGE when it comes to setting them up for a lifetime of learning or a lifetime of disdain for education. By the time a kid reaches kindergarten it may be too late to overcome. A parent that never had an education is ill equipped to provide that foundation and the ignorance is passed down from generation to generation.
 

JSt0rm

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What is the "systemic racism" that you believe holds them back academically? Groups within the white population (e.g. Jewish people vs. Catholics) have significant differences as do Asian subgroups. But a lot of those differences are attributed to various factors other than racism.
you wont understand it till it is you.
 

Maxima1

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Generations denied access to education. The first 5 years of a child's life are HUGE when it comes to setting them up for a lifetime of learning or a lifetime of disdain for education. By the time a kid reaches kindergarten it may be too late to overcome. A parent that never had an education is ill equipped to provide that foundation and the ignorance is passed down from generation to generation.
And that's bullshit because it can happen to all races. Giving someone an advantage over their racial appearance/skin color is a poor way of doing things, and builds up the resentment that allows Trumpism to thrive.

I know a Native American woman that's very successful and knows several languages. I would probably attribute a significant portion of this to her mother being Jewish. Yet people like you would argue she should get a leg up despite having this background.

(Note: I hate a lot of the studies like this because they don't do the obvious by accounting for IQ, but you get the idea.)

Poor Children's Brain Activity Resembles That Of Stroke Victims, EEG Shows

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203092429.htm

you wont understand it till it is you.
I've interacted with several black people while in college and no one gave them shit. Neither did that really happen in high school, for that matter. It's not socially acceptable to do so. I think it's telling how even more liberals claim they're oppressed than the blacks do themselves, and then there's the rampant hyperbole involving blacks and police.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/08/unarmed-black-children-are-not-being-gunned-down-by-cops/
 

JSt0rm

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I've interacted with several black people while in college and no one gave them shit. Neither did that really happen in high school, for that matter. It's not socially acceptable to do so. I think it's telling how even more liberals claim they're oppressed than the blacks do themselves, and then there's the rampant hyperbole involving blacks and police.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/08/unarmed-black-children-are-not-being-gunned-down-by-cops/
We all live in a bubble but yours is exceptional. systemic racism isnt about wether or not some randoms you went to school with got shit from other classmates.
 

Maxima1

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We all live in a bubble but yours is exceptional. systemic racism isnt about wether or not some randoms you went to school with got shit from other classmates.
So give some examples of what you think it's about.
 

Paladin3

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Both sides are guilty of taking cheap shots at the other using whatever ammunition they can, but elements of the right/conservative/Republican side sure do like to bring up race in a negative way. I guess we should be thankful that those who do are stupid enough to display their ignorance openly so we can all take note and vote accordingly.

IMHO, though, the left/liberal/Democratic side shouldn't preen too much over being morally superior to the right in general. It's not that huge of an accomplishment, and the whole system could you an injection of integrity.
 

JSt0rm

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Both sides are guilty of taking cheap shots at the other using whatever ammunition they can, but elements of the right/conservative/Republican side sure do like to bring up race in a negative way. I guess we should be thankful that those who do are stupid enough to display their ignorance openly so we can all take note and vote accordingly.

IMHO, though, the left/liberal/Democratic side shouldn't preen too much over being morally superior to the right in general. It's not that huge of an accomplishment, and the whole system could you an injection of integrity.
In todays world it seems like a huge accomplishment.
 

Paladin3

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affirmative action is a counter balance to systemic racism.
Affirmative action is a bad solution to a worse problem. It will always be better to inspire and educate than simply give preference to someone based on race. But you do what you can until Utopia arrives.
 

ivwshane

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So give some examples of what you think it's about.
Its a pretty big problem that's a lot larger than most people realize.

For one, blacks and minorities are incarcerated at a higher rate that whites for certain crimes (drug possession being one of them) and they are typically given longer sentences as well. That directly corresponds to having less rather figures in a Childs life let alone that much less income to support a family on which leads to the next point.

Natural segregation has been happening (in "liberal" areas) because people who can afford it are moving to areas with better schools and less crime. That means more income from taxes in those areas and less income from taxes in the areas left behind. So less resources go to the community that needs it most, creating a downward spiral which naturally lends itself to higher crime rates, lower paying jobs, lower marriage rates (which means less income and less financial stability) and less safe alternatives for which children to grow up with, which then leads to lower graduation rates, less skilled workers and lower paying jobs, which leads to:

Lwer property values and overall lower income from taxes and the cycle is repeated.

Its been shown that when minorities are given similar opportunities as whites (such as joining the military) that poverty levels decrease and the number of people in the middle class increases.

Now add to that systematic voter disenfranchisement so minorities now get less representation in how they are governed and you can start to see how large and difficult the issue is.
 

dank69

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And that's bullshit because it can happen to all races. Giving someone an advantage over their racial appearance/skin color is a poor way of doing things, and builds up the resentment that allows Trumpism to thrive.

I know a Native American woman that's very successful and knows several languages. I would probably attribute a significant portion of this to her mother being Jewish. Yet people like you would argue she should get a leg up despite having this background.

(Note: I hate a lot of the studies like this because they don't do the obvious by accounting for IQ, but you get the idea.)

Poor Children's Brain Activity Resembles That Of Stroke Victims, EEG Shows

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081203092429.htm



I've interacted with several black people while in college and no one gave them shit. Neither did that really happen in high school, for that matter. It's not socially acceptable to do so. I think it's telling how even more liberals claim they're oppressed than the blacks do themselves, and then there's the rampant hyperbole involving blacks and police.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/08/unarmed-black-children-are-not-being-gunned-down-by-cops/
Are you fucking stupid? Of course it can affect all races. Nobody claimed otherwise. The point that you seem I'll equipped to grasp is that the entire race was prevented from getting an education in America. Something like that takes generations to fix.
 
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JSt0rm

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Affirmative action is a bad solution to a worse problem. It will always be better to inspire and educate than simply give preference to someone based on race. But you do what you can until Utopia arrives.
different people have to reach farther to get ot the same points. If we account for that in admissions for people who really deserve it then we have a partial solution to a bad problem. nothing is perfect.
 

Maxima1

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school funding based on local property taxes is one. Especially if you take into account why we are in the place we are in with regards to housing. Thats a whole other discussion. Read about it here if you want:

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
How is this about racism?

We spend essentially the same amount on education per pupil regardless of race. The US has spent a TON of money since the 1970's and achievement has been flat. As is, the marginal productivity of a teacher approaches zero at a certain compensation point. Chicago's teachers are some of the highest paid in the nation at around ~$80k median. That's six figures equivalent to typical hours in private sector. Private sector teachers make less than public, yet they do "better", but we all know the real reason is because the kids make the school.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/state-and-local-school-fi_n_1898225.html

"Last month, another Center for American progress report determined schools that enroll 90 percent or more non-white students spend $733 less per pupil per year than schools that enroll 90 percent or more white students. These “racially isolated” schools make up one-third of the country’s schools."

A ~$700 deficit is nothing when you consider the average expenditure per pupil in the US is over $10000.

Its a pretty big problem that's a lot larger than most people realize.
Nothing you typed screams racism.

For one, blacks and minorities are incarcerated at a higher rate that whites for certain crimes (drug possession being one of them) and they are typically given longer sentences as well. That directly corresponds to having less rather figures in a Childs life let alone that much less income to support a family on which leads to the next point.
Minor offenses like marijuana possession is primarily from white people thinking Jesus wouldn't do the joint, but he'll have a beer with them. Marijuana has had negative stereotypes for a long time stemming from the belief it makes people lazy and unmotivated.

Black men are sentenced longer because sentencing is correlated with the amount of crime they do. You see the same pattern with white men vs. white women, but no one would argue the system is sexist against men.

Natural segregation has been happening (in "liberal" areas) because people who can afford it are moving to areas with better schools and less crime. That means more income from taxes in those areas and less income from taxes in the areas left behind. So less resources go to the community that needs it most, creating a downward spiral which naturally lends itself to higher crime rates, lower paying jobs, lower marriage rates (which means less income and less financial stability) and less safe alternatives for which children to grow up with, which then leads to lower graduation rates, less skilled workers and lower paying jobs, which leads to:Lwer property values and overall lower income from taxes and the cycle is repeated.
Again, as you say they want the "perceived" better school and the lower crime neighborhoods. Not wholly about racist people again. Part of this also stems from blacks not wanting to go outside of the community as well.

Are you fucking stupid? Of course it can affect all races. Nobody claimed otherwise. The point that you seem I'll equipped to grasp is that the entire race was prevented from getting an education in America. Something like that takes generations to fix.
Great that you admit to that. Can we agree that affirmative action is incredibly flawed then as it's not really measuring disadvantage adequately? Affirmative action applies to top tier colleges. Since blacks do worse for equivalent SES levels, the racial preferences primarily benefit well-to-do blacks, while alienating working class whites and Asians. Would you give that Native American woman I talked about preference as well? She has a richer background than many white people.

Your claim about generations to fix is typical manure for those wanting to continue racial preferences in perpetuity. You don't understand the multiple variables responsible (e.g. family dynamics), so you're flailing around with bullshit "fixes". Blacks have problems in more liberal countries, so the Jim Crow and slavery victimhood gets old, and we all know various groups around the world have made substantial gains with less resources and time.
 

dank69

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Great that you admit to that. Can we agree that affirmative action is incredibly flawed then as it's not really measuring disadvantage adequately? Affirmative action applies to top tier colleges. Since blacks do worse for equivalent SES levels, the racial preferences primarily benefit well-to-do blacks, while alienating working class whites and Asians. Would you give that Native American woman I talked about preference as well? She has a richer background than many white people.

Your claim about generations to fix is typical manure for those wanting to continue racial preferences in perpetuity. You don't understand the multiple variables responsible (e.g. family dynamics), so you're flailing around with bullshit "fixes". Blacks have problems in more liberal countries, so the Jim Crow and slavery victimhood gets old, and we all know various groups around the world have made substantial gains with less resources and time.
You still don't get it. The entire race was robbed of the education every other race in the country had access to. That will take generations to fix whether you want to admit it or not.

I don't know enough about affirmative action to comment on it.
 

ivwshane

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How is this about racism?

We spend essentially the same amount on education per pupil regardless of race. The US has spent a TON of money since the 1970's and achievement has been flat. As is, the marginal productivity of a teacher approaches zero at a certain compensation point. Chicago's teachers are some of the highest paid in the nation at around ~$80k median. That's six figures equivalent to typical hours in private sector. Private sector teachers make less than public, yet they do "better", but we all know the real reason is because the kids make the school.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/state-and-local-school-fi_n_1898225.html

"Last month, another Center for American progress report determined schools that enroll 90 percent or more non-white students spend $733 less per pupil per year than schools that enroll 90 percent or more white students. These “racially isolated” schools make up one-third of the country’s schools."

A ~$700 deficit is nothing when you consider the average expenditure per pupil in the US is over $10000.



Nothing you typed screams racism.



Minor offenses like marijuana possession is primarily from white people thinking Jesus wouldn't do the joint, but he'll have a beer with them. Marijuana has had negative stereotypes for a long time stemming from the belief it makes people lazy and unmotivated.

Black men are sentenced longer because sentencing is correlated with the amount of crime they do. You see the same pattern with white men vs. white women, but no one would argue the system is sexist against men.



Again, as you say they want the "perceived" better school and the lower crime neighborhoods. Not wholly about racist people again. Part of this also stems from blacks not wanting to go outside of the community as well.



Great that you admit to that. Can we agree that affirmative action is incredibly flawed then as it's not really measuring disadvantage adequately? Affirmative action applies to top tier colleges. Since blacks do worse for equivalent SES levels, the racial preferences primarily benefit well-to-do blacks, while alienating working class whites and Asians. Would you give that Native American woman I talked about preference as well? She has a richer background than many white people.

Your claim about generations to fix is typical manure for those wanting to continue racial preferences in perpetuity. You don't understand the multiple variables responsible (e.g. family dynamics), so you're flailing around with bullshit "fixes". Blacks have problems in more liberal countries, so the Jim Crow and slavery victimhood gets old, and we all know various groups around the world have made substantial gains with less resources and time.
Ignorance is your enemy not your friend. What you posted was bullshit and goes against the actual facts of the matter.
 

Maxima1

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You still don't get it. The entire race was robbed of the education every other race in the country had access to.
You can't keep using education as an excuse when more than a generation has gone by without significant improvements despite a huge influx of money to remedy it.This occurred despite vast improvement in racial attitudes as well.

After 50 years, the achievement gap between white and black students has barely narrowed.

"It's remarkable," says Eric Hanushek, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, who authored the analysis. "I knew that the gap hadn't been closing too much, but when I actually looked at the data I was myself surprised."

"I was surprised because I think we hear more about promising attempts to close the gap and we hear a lot about school systems in states that are focused on closing the achieving gap, and yet the progress is so disappointingly slow," says Hanushek.

"If [the Coleman Report] was expected to mobilize the resources of the nation's schools in pursuit of racial equity, it undoubtedly failed to achieve its objective," Hanushek wrote. "Nor did it increase the overall level of performance of high school students on the eve of their graduation, despite the vast increase in resources that would be committed to education over the ensuing five decades."

Graph: Achievement Gains Are Unrelated to Increased Spending

Racial attitudes over time

PRINCETON, NJ -- Continuing to represent one of the largest shifts of public opinion in Gallup history, 87% of Americans now favor marriage between blacks and whites, up from 4% in 1958.




That will take generations to fix whether you want to admit it or not.
From previous article:

He estimates that if the achievement gaps continue close at such an incremental rate, it will be roughly two and a half centuries before the black-white math gap closes and over one and a half centuries until the reading gap closes.

Fuck that! By that time, the singularity will have occurred.


I don't know enough about affirmative action to comment on it.
Most universities aren't that selective, so it isn't an issue for the most part. At elite colleges, many low income blacks can't cut it, so the pool of applicants from low income students are mainly white and Asian. I just have to roll my eyes at it all because it's strange to me. These minorities going there are similar to the black professor/attorney I had in one class; they have a lot more in common outside of their racial group.

To be fair, there's the issue of legacy, which has helped white people, but I'm not sure how much this aids presently. Many of the Ivy League parents will invest much more into their children than typical to develop talents, and probably pass on genes for smart kids, so it makes sense a lot of them would have gained admission regardless. But if affirmative action were to go, legacy definitely should as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/business/at-elite-colleges-racial-diversity-requires-affirmative-action.html

"Getting more low-income students into elite colleges like Harvard and Stanford is an important goal. But it can’t replace race-based affirmative action.

A close look at the numbers shows that the only effective way to increase racial diversity at elite colleges is by considering race when deciding who gets in.

[...]

But this approach can’t do the job of race-based affirmative action for a very simple reason: Most poor people are white. Putting a thumb on the scale for low-income students will help far more white students than black or Hispanic students."

Ignorance is your enemy not your friend. What you posted was bullshit and goes against the actual facts of the matter.
Seriously, what do I need to show you? What was false? Because I showed nothing but the facts. I gave you guys the liberal HuffingtonPost. Look at the above as well, and check this below.

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97917.asp

When education spending is considered in terms of "buying power," districts with the highest percentage of minority students spend the least.

In terms of "buying power" in school year 1989–90, districts with the highest percentages of minority students spent $286 less on public education per year than did districts with the lowest percentages of minority students ($4,103 vs. $4,389 per student) (figure 2). This change in direction occurs because school districts enrolling high percentages of minority students are more likely to be located in high-cost urban centers and to serve substantial numbers of students with special needs, thereby reducing the "buying power" of the dollars received.

you dont care. Hopefully more do then less. See you at the poles.
Already voted, and the DCCC sent me a special note saying I was a hero.
For my age group, I'm of the small minority that care.
 
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