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Thread Crapping in Hot Deals (Mod - ruling please)

apoppin

Lifer
AUDIOPHILE ONLY: Rocket Loudspeakers -- Unbelievable Sound at an Unbelieveable Price!

I hate to be a snitch HOWEVER this thread is getting out of control - It DOESN'T need to be locked but one senior member ValsalvaYourHeartOut is just thread crapping to the max.

I have attempted to point out the forum rules:
What about COURTESY?
No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.
However, he is getting ruder and louder in his obsession with dissing the poster of the topic and the speakers this deal is talking about.

Perhaps a mod would like to look into this and comment.

Perhaps I am being too picky - in which case, I'd be able to stand the correction (I hope). 🙂

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Maybe he will have a better understanding of our rule against thread crapping, as well as common courtesy, when he comes back from his vacation.

AnandTech Moderator
 
Perhaps I am being too picky


You certainly are not. :frown: It's one thing to constructively point out the negatives and downsides of a deal. Its quite another to continually post CRAP comments after you've been asked to stop multiple times by both the thread starter and its participants.
 
Honestly, I feel that this is a very childish response to my attempts to point out why it is a generally a bad idea to purchase speakers from a no-name-brand company online without being able to listen to them first. For some reason, apoppin seems to be bitterly opposed to this concept and is finding any way that he can to silence my opinion. Two people have already explicitly stated that they agree with my remarks -- only apoppin seems to have a problem with them.

Here is a summary of APOPPIN's posts:
07/07/2002 10:46 AM Apoppin insists that I am a thread crapper because I point out that buying speakers without listening to them first is a bad idea; no contribution to thread at all

07/07/2002 11:06 AM Apoppin re-insists that I am a thread crapper and plays "AT cop"; again, no contribution to thread at all

07/07/2002 12:14 PM Apoppin plays AT cop again by explaining the forum rules to everyone; again, no contirbution to thread at all

07/07/2002 12:20 PM Ironically, Apoppin says "this is so becoming off topic"

07/09/2002 6:18 PM Apoppin talks about mods, and tries to convince people who point out problems with the deal that they are only bumping it to the top; again, no useful contribution to the thread was made

07/09/2002 8:10 PM Apoppin tells me that I'm not an audiophile and that I clearly do not have a clue. Personally, I don't care, but I honestly think that if someone said that to Apoppin, he might find it...well..."rude."

07/09/2002 9:09 PM Apoppin defends remarks he made earlier that were challenged by merlocka

07/09/2002 9:40 PM Apoppin posts in AT HD to tell everyone that he has posted here. If he was really concerned about my posts, he would have ONLY posted here -- it is clear that he wanted to shoot me down in the AT HD forum, which explains why he felt compelled to post there.

As you can see, Apoppin has consumed AT bandwidth and has made no contribution to the thread whatsoever. I was merely doing the forum a favor, by reminding ppl that it is the general consensus that buying speakers without listening to them is a BAD idea.
According to the forum rules, negative comments are allowed "if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link."

In contrast to what Apoppin claims, people agree with my opinions. For example:
Slugbait posted: "OK, with this I would have to agree" [in response to my posts]
Blahblah99 posted: "Damn there's a lot of arguing over this thread... but I gotta agree with ValsalvaYourHeartOut!"

Furthermore, the whole issue of "thread-crapping" and "politeness" started a heated sub-discussion following apoppin's complaints that people weren't being polite enough to his standards...this sub-discussion just diluted the thread further and brought the thread way off-topic. If he hadn't tried to play "Wannabe cop," this wouldn't have happened...if you read the sub-discussion regarding how sensitive people are, and how people think the term "thread crapping" is overused/misused, this is what i'm talking about.

Thus, to summarize, I have pointed out that:
a) I was pointing out why it is dangerous to purchase speakers without hearing them first.
b) How almost ALL of Apoppin's posts were either trying to play "wannabe mod" or were waaayyy off-topic
c) People agreed with my responses to this thread
d) Apoppin started an off-topic subdiscussion in this thread regarding his standards of politeness and whined about comments that he thought were "thread crapping" -- based on reading the thread, people seemed to be divided on this issue (some agree, some disagree), but the point is it brought the thread off-topic, and I don't think it was up to Apoppin to play "AT cop."
e) Negative comments ARE allowed on AT HD "if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link"...I"m concerned that perhaps Apoppin did not read the forum rules to the very bottom, because he never seemed to quote this line in ANY of his AT wannabe-mod posts.

Valsalva
 
You are the bandwith consumer champion. 😀 Perhaps you have a career in OT . . .

I don't care to defend myself to you.

I am sorry I wasted so much time replying to you and trying to explain the Hot Deal rules to you. I did waste a lot of time explaining why you should not "thread crap" on a deal. Perhaps I should have posted here first but I thought you'd catch on.

As I said before, I won't reply any further in that thread or - now - in this one to you . . . I have just asked a Moderator to take a look at this and make a ruling that I will be glad to abide by.

Aloha.
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
You are the bandwith consumer champion.

The above log of your posts might suggest that the converse is true.

I did waste a lot of time explaining why you should not "thread crap" on a deal.

I have repeatedly tried to explain to you that I was NOT "thread-crapping." People even had to come into the thread to tell you that you were incorrectly applying that term!! I also had to remind you twice that negative comments ARE allowed "if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link." A thread crap would have been "Rocket speakers suck man"...there's a huge difference.

Valsalva
 
I have to agree that Valsalva's comments are not crapping, but rather advising the ATHD members of the quality of this supposed hot deal.

If Valsalva's comments were indeed crapping, then they would have to constitute direct and unprovoked personal attacks on AT members-- which is clearly not the case as demostrated in the previous responses.

Retorts and counter-arguments, in contrast to personal insults, are encouraged on the forum. Without such comments, such a forum would be transformed into a pulpit with a flock of parishioners mindlessly nodding their heads to pastor's sermon; deals on the Brooklyn Bridge would become a hot item. Thus, it is necessary for debates and contention to exist because anything involving purchases and spending your hard-earned money deserves careful analysis. Most people can agree on that.

Diels Alder
 
I agree with apoppin here...it appears as close as one can get to being a thread crap, and I think Vasalva should just back off.

Rob
 
I am concerned that some members, despite having thousands of posts behind their names, are not entirely sure what exactly constitutes thread crapping. When members see negative posts in a thread, especially when they are not 100% familiar with the product, they automatically assume it's "thread crapping."

Negative posts are not necessarily thread crapping if "if there is ANY OTHER REASON to warn others about an offer or link." This is stated very explicitly in the forum rules. I did not merely join the thread and say "huhuhuhuh, Rocket speakers are suck"...I explained carefully why people should use caution in this deal, and that buying speakers without hearing them first, especially after only reading internet opinion, is not always the greatest idea. There's a HUGE difference. One is allowed/encouraged, the other is not.

It seems like the person who posted this "mod ruling please" post in forum issues along with a few respondents have alterior motives -- they may have disagreed with my opinions and they are using this thread as a medium of retliation. I hope that the form issues forum doesn't turn into such a medium -- that is, whenever someone disagrees with another's opinions, that someone can just post in this forum and cry "thread-crapping" and give the mods extra work. I would think that the mods have better things to do.

Valsalva
 
Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut
I am concerned that some members, despite having thousands of posts behind their names, are not entirely sure what exactly constitutes thread crapping. When members see negative posts in a thread, especially when they are not 100% familiar with the product, they automatically assume it's "thread crapping."

Negative posts are not necessarily thread crapping if "if there is ANY OTHER REASON to warn others about an offer or link." This is stated very explicitly in the forum rules. I did not merely join the thread and say "huhuhuhuh, Rocket speakers are suck"...I explained carefully why people should use caution in this deal, and that buying speakers without hearing them first, especially after only reading internet opinion, is not always the greatest idea. There's a HUGE difference. One is allowed/encouraged, the other is not.

It seems like the person who posted this "mod ruling please" post in forum issues along with a few respondents have alterior motives -- they may have disagreed with my opinions and they are using this thread as a medium of retliation. I hope that the form issues forum doesn't turn into such a medium -- that is, whenever someone disagrees with another's opinions, that someone can just post in this forum and cry "thread-crapping" and give the mods extra work. I would think that the mods have better things to do.

Valsalva


No, we are not all idiots and we are quite aware of what thread crapping means. You were certainly your rights to "warn" other's about the thread and respond to comments made in it.

Where you crossed the line was refusing to leave it at that! You started posting CRAP stuff like this:

WHAT A BUNCH OF LEMMINGS!!!

One guy makes a post about how great these no-name-brand speakers are, backs it up with an INTERNET forum, and says customer service is great, and you have comments like this:

"This is a good post for those who can afford it. It's a pity so many in the AT community are not sophisticated enough to see why this is a good deal. If I had the money, I would look into this."
"Very nice stuff! Didn't know about this forum. I'll pass it on to my brother who has at least a $10,000+ home theater sitting about 50 feet away from me right now. He just spent some hefty money on ebay for 3 subs and that just about finishes his rig - now he'll want these instead!!"


Its fine to warn other's about a potential purchase. Continously berating them for that decision and then further refusing to shut up after asked is thread crapping. You made your pointwell known and understood several times yet continued the conversation SOLELY for the purpose of being adversarial-A.K.A-thread crapping.

-my last thoughts on this entire matter...too trivial to deal with any more. 🙂
 
Seems ValsalvaYourHeartOut has decided to start thread crapping here too. The difference here is he is just spreading crap.

The warning about buying speakers without listening to them first is something that most people over 12 years old already know. As for user input on an issue, that is what this forum is basically about. Recomendations from other users is the whole point of a forum. Good or bad opinions on a product help others to make a decision. To whine that "internet forums" are unreliable and therefore irrelevant is counter-productive and also ironic since your opinions are posted on an "internet forum".

This whole issue wouldn't have happened if he would have stopped after making his opinions known in the first post. Instead he kept it up while insulting others.

I think ValsalvaYourHeartOut is in need of a time out courtesy of a Mod.
 
Well, I was going to respond, but just found out that the mods beat me to it. Thanks, mods.

Take a couple of weeks to consider how you could be a little more courteous to your fellow members. Before you post again, please read the rules for our For Sale/Trade forum. Pay special attention to the rules regarding thread crapping. While you are at it, please read ALL of the rules.

AnandTech Moderator

Rob
 
Wow, that guy is longwinded. Not only are his posts threadcraps, they're as good as nefs, since it's most likely no one even reads all the way through them!
 
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