Thoughts on the X1000 series, performance and expectations

Chocolate Pi

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So the X1000 series is here, and it is, to the shock of all, perfectly normal. The line does well in "ATI titles", and is beaten by nVidia in "nVidia titles". What a shock; only fanboys thought ATI would sweep Doom 3, and only the other set of fanboys thought the cards would fail at Far Cry. At any rate, let's look at the lines one by one:

The X1800 line competes with the 7800 line just like you'd expect. They have slightly better features and will probably have slightly higher prices when it all shakes out. The next nVidia fan who mentions the MSRP I'm going to shoot. I will bury them with the next ATI fan who assumes the cards with drop $100 in a week, just for irony.

Let's also talk about 512 MB. Having 512 MB of video memory seems to me that the card is just marginally more future proof, and thus costs more while retaining its value better. It's not a *big* deal. Yes, there will be a 7800GTX with 512 MB, and guess what? It will be slightly more future-proof, cost more, and retain its value better. Life will go on.

Next, the X1600 series; ATI has clearly hedged their bets on future games being shader heavy, as a few reviews state. So ATI is targeted the middle line towards a select type of game design so as to save costs while maintaining strong performance in that specific design of game. That design hasn't fully arrived yet, but according to your perspective that may be a good thing. Designing a GPU for the future is risky, but I do think that ATI's shader prediction with the X1600 might end up better than the predicitons made with the Geforce FX series. (Can't have a R520 topic without 'em, can ya?)

The X1300 lineup seems like it does what it aims to do well. It presents customers with a budget card focused on features, not performance or uber-low prices. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like the X1300 is for the guy who doesn't care about performance but wants high-end features like H.264 assist for as cheap as possible.

This post isn't to spin-doctor or damage control the R520 and family release; on the contrary, the 6600GT isn't going anywhere, and the GTX is not any worse off by having an equal. However, posts treating the release as a pitiful failure are a dime a dozen, and that seems both ignorant and unfair. And before I put my soapbox away, shut up about availability. If nothing hits stores by the end of the weak, THEN complain. If nothing is out in a month, THEN say ATI is doomed has has lied to its customers.

The rest of us can meanwhile put our feet up, and wait to see how it overclocks. Happy R520 launch, everybody!

Interesting thoughts, but we do not need another new thread.

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OneOfTheseDays

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thank you for creating yet another whole thread about the X1000 series. a simple browsing of the video forum would reveal around 5-10 threads about this very same topic.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Availability.


Until I can buy it with money, it's a failure.

Check hotdeals. XL is availible NOW. (oem with monarch system warrenty only)
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Availability.


Until I can buy it with money, it's a failure.

Check hotdeals. XL is availible NOW. (oem with monarch system warrenty only)



No it isn't. Check the thread. Those are PRE-ORDER skus ETA's 10/12/05.

Aside from that, they want the same price as a 7800GTX. Yeah, right. No.
 

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Actually, you can order OEM cards with a system RIGHT NOW. Availible Right now.


THIS PRODUCT IS COMING SOON!
PLEASE CHECK BACK HERE FOR
AVAILABLITY AND PRICING!
OEM VERSION AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE
NOW IN MONARCH SYSTEMS!
 

Deception

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I didnt' know that 'COMING SOON' = Available Right Now :-/

Trust me - I'm in the Atlanta area and they're not in stock.

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Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Hacp
with a system


End of debate. Just stop now.

Nvidia had scores of GTXs/GTs retail, OEM, whatever you wanted on the DAY they told you the card was available. Actually, if I recall, mwave had one up the day beforehand.

Being able to purchase an OEM card from ONE vendor *with a PC* is not *available*. This may come as a shock, but some people just want to upgrade.


 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Deception
I didnt' know that 'COMING SOON' = Available Right Now :-/

Trust me - I'm in the Atlanta area and they're not in stock.

Deception


Retail versions are not in stock. It seems that OEM versions are in stock and can only be bought with a system.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Availability.


Until I can buy it with money, it's a failure.

Check hotdeals. XL is availible NOW. (oem with monarch system warrenty only)



No it isn't. Check the thread. Those are PRE-ORDER skus ETA's 10/12/05.

Aside from that, they want the same price as a 7800GTX. Yeah, right. No.


Funny how it changed from

Until I can buy one with money (yes you can) its a failure to.......

Yes you can buy it, but I consider it a failure anyways because even though anyone can buy it, only one vendor has it. I would consider the Gfroce go Ultra (dell only I'm pretty sure) not availible then????
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Availability.


Until I can buy it with money, it's a failure.

Check hotdeals. XL is availible NOW. (oem with monarch system warrenty only)



No it isn't. Check the thread. Those are PRE-ORDER skus ETA's 10/12/05.

Aside from that, they want the same price as a 7800GTX. Yeah, right. No.


Funny how it changed from

Until I can buy one with money (yes you can) its a failure to.......

Yes you can buy it, but I consider it a failure anyways because even though anyone can buy it, only one vendor has it. I would consider the Gfroce go Ultra (dell only I'm pretty sure) not availible then????



I can't buy one. I have to buy a system. You cannot buy a sole X1800XL by itself at all.
 

Hacp

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Yes you can buy one. Buy the system, and pull it out. There you bought it. Don't want to recant your earlier statement???????


This "paper" launch won't be as bad as the XTPE, which most Nvidia fanboys are claiming. Even AT says that most vendors should have it in stock by the first week. As I keep constantly stating, it should parallel the AMD launch of their dual core processors.

Of course, no one should buy the XL as it has a neutered core that can't overclock at all :).
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Yes you can buy one. Buy the system, and pull it out. There you bought it. Don't want to recant your earlier statement???????


How is buying a system buying a card?

That's like saying "Yes you can buy a genuine Honda airbag! Just purchase an Accord and pull it out!" That's not buying a car part. That's buying a car.

Please stop talking. It will benefit you.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: Hacp
Yes you can buy one. Buy the system, and pull it out. There you bought it. Don't want to recant your earlier statement???????


How is buying a system buying a card?

That's like saying "Yes you can buy a genuine Honda airbag! Just purchase an Accord and pull it out!" That's not buying a car part. That's buying a car.

Please stop talking. It will benefit you.

Still won't say that its not a failure even though you said:

Until I can buy it with money....

Its like buying a card, except you get all those extra PC parts for free. Kinda like the EVGA 7800GT+SLI mobo deal. You get a SLI mobo for free.


Ow ya, one more thing. Please CALM DOWN. Its a video card. If its that important to you, then you can choose to say that it is a failure . Is that better?
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: Hacp
Yes you can buy one. Buy the system, and pull it out. There you bought it. Don't want to recant your earlier statement???????


How is buying a system buying a card?

That's like saying "Yes you can buy a genuine Honda airbag! Just purchase an Accord and pull it out!" That's not buying a car part. That's buying a car.

Please stop talking. It will benefit you.

Still won't say that its not a failure even though you said:

Until I can buy it with money....

Its like buying a card, except you get all those extra PC parts for free. Kinda like the EVGA 7800GT+SLI mobo deal. You get a SLI mobo for free.


It will stop being a failure the millisecond I can buy a *card*, not a group of them, or a system with one in it, or a magical unicorn that eats pop tarts and craps the card, either retail or OEM, *without being forced to purchase anything else alongside it*.


Thank you and good night.