Thoughts on OBJECTIFICATION of women.

[PlatinumGold]

DO men, as some women like to accuse, indeed objectify women?

YES, of course they do. MEN LIKE TO BE OBJECTIFIED. so when they objectify women they are actually paying women a compliment.

Men like the thought that women like them for their looks alone. all these women that make it seem like a bad thing when men objectify women just don't understand men.

 

[Orsorum]

How do you mean the term objectification to be interpreted?

 

[CrazyDe1]

Yes...they do...but a lot of times they ask for it...in how they dress and how they act..
Now a girl that doesn't do that I dont' objectify....but if shes straight up askin for it...I'll objectify her...

 

[pulse8]

If I don't know a person, man or female, the way they look is the only thing I have to go on.

 

[Maverick]

men definitely objective women...hell I do it all the time. The fact is there's too many women that like being treated as objects and until that stops, women will always be objectified. Women who sit there and say men are horrible for doing it should turn around and look at the members of their own gender that encourage it.

 

[PlatinumGold]

what do i mean by objectification? Porn, Nude bars etc.

Do women ask for it?? well mb, but i think it's irrelevant. i think men in general think more in terms of relationship to objects vs relationships to people. so it is natural for a man to objectify women. they objectify everything else.

 

[notfred]

"Every Interaction tainted with objectification, does it make you cool to put her in her place? How would you feel if it was your sister? You're a poor excuse for a man."

- Good Riddance, from Eighteen Seconds on Operation Phoenix

 

[Orsorum]

I notice how a girl appears to me - nothing more. I deliberately do that out of respect for the woman, whether she thinks she deserves it or not.

 

[jjones]

Do you mean to say there's supposed to be more to women than just being sex objects and housemaids? Wow, I'll have to give that some thought.

 

[Hammer]

I think its great.

 

[Jzero]

Ahem!
*Polishes the old Women's Studies minor*

It's a vicious cycle--men objectify women. Women realize that an easy way to gain favor in a man's world is to allow themselves to be subject to objectification.

Placing the blame squarly on the shoulders of women for pandering to men is as naive as solely blaming men as being nothing but a bunch of drooling dogs.

Arguing the cause can be fascinating, but the solution cannot be found in the cause, perhaps because the cause itself has been lost throughout many thousands of years of masculist history. The real solution is in us, here and now, when each person makes a conscious decision to end the cycle and to do our best to treat everyone, male and female, as something more than an object. The cycle won't end overnight, but with each person who makes the decision for themselves and educates those around them, the cycle will gradually fade into obscurity alongside whatever spectres caused it.

 

[gopunk]

i never understood the whole thing about objectification, despite the numerous feminist english classes i had to take. wtf, because i get horny when i see a hot chick, i'm objectifying them? i think this is just something that ugly women made up to give them an excuse for getting pissy when guys dig hot chicks instead of them.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Is this really an issue?

 

[ElFenix]

some girls like it

 

[shanC]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Is this really an issue?

Well, being a girl myself, I definitely I don't like being objectified. I mean, it's one thing if a guy shows his appreciation, but another thing entirely if...

Of course... Hell... I objectify men, so who am I to be talking?!

 

[Spagina]

The first time any member of either sex sees someone, they do not, and I repeat, do not say to themselves "He/she has a great mind." If anyone says they do this, they're lying outright. Humans are completely visual, we make most initial assumptions and likes and dislikes off how someone looks to us. Of course, I'm not justifying looking at someone purely as a sex object only, but no one on god's green earth, (maybe save for the blind) judge their initial reaction on someone from their mind because frankly, humans aren't mind readers. Now the second step, if that person opens their mouth and they are a total ditz or ass, then usually the looks become irrelevant and the attractiveness goes away

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: shanC

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Is this really an issue?

Well, being a girl myself, I definitely I don't like being objectified. I mean, it's one thing if a guy shows his appreciation, but another thing entirely if...

Of course... Hell... I objectify men, so who am I to be talking?!

Exactly. Everyone objectifies everyone else, if you guys mean what i think you mean. It is deeply rooted in our culture.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Arguing the cause can be fascinating, but the solution cannot be found in the cause, perhaps because the cause itself has been lost throughout many thousands of years of masculist history. The real solution is in us, here and now, when each person makes a conscious decision to end the cycle and to do our best to treat everyone, male and female, as something more than an object. The cycle won't end overnight, but with each person who makes the decision for themselves and educates those around them, the cycle will gradually fade into obscurity alongside whatever spectres caused it.

End WHAT Cycle. you haven't yet demonstrated that it is anything other than natural and good.

 

[PlatinumGold]

The first time any member of either sex sees someone, they do not, and I repeat, do not say to themselves "He/she has a great mind." If anyone says they do this, they're lying outright.

You can objectify based on someones mind too.

i don't think you guys get it yet.

Men: view the whole world in terms of ownership.

Women: view the whole world in terms of guardianship.

they are not the same. Objectifying is just part of that ownership deal, where as women want to RELATE too everything. If men so chose to, they could argue that women always wanting relationships and such from men is a "EVIL" way of dealing with each other. Men could take the stand that Objectifying is "Natural" and "relationships" are unnatural, yet we don't.

 

[Jzero]

End WHAT Cycle.

Go back and read my post where I said:

It's a vicious cycle--men objectify women. Women realize that an easy way to gain favor in a man's world is to allow themselves to be subject to objectification.

I don't like having to quote myself.

you haven't yet demonstrated that it is anything other than natural and good.

Natural? How have you demonstrated that it is at all natural? As for myself, I don't recall ever saying that it was unnatural, in fact I said that the cause is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's natural or not. It exists here and now. We could wax all night long about whether it was a conspiracy by male cave men, or if it's simply a natural attraction to favorable reproductive traits on the part of both genders--doesn't change the fact that in today's "enlightened" society, we should be able to rise above such feral sentiments.

As for it being "good," if you consider hiring an unqualified woman for a job simply because she's attractive or easy "good," well then you're beyond the scope of my abilities.

We're always going to judge people on appearances, but there is a line to be drawn between objectification and normal instincts. It's one thing to appreciate beauty. It's another thing to allow perception of beauty to replace all other human qualities.

 

[freakflag]

I find objectification abjectly objectionable.
My only objection is that I, personally,
have not been the object of any objectification whatsoever.

Balls, I say.

 

[MichaelD]

I am horrified by the sheer ballz you have in posting this garbage. You should be ashamed of yourself! WOMEN ARE not TOYS or PLAYTHINGS, they are a true CHEST of TREASURES to be HELD CLOSE to your HEART and ONly as such.

By OBJECTifying women OF the , you raise the DESIRE level of men universally, and continue to PORNOgraphize them as animals, PETs to be THRUST aside when you are DONE!


Shame on you, you pig!

ps
Read just the bold words.

pps
Women are accessories for the successful man. I can cook better than any woman I've ever met. I can clean better, sew better and in general, there's only one thing I can't do for myself...well....THAT well, anyway. So there.

ppps
*flamesuit is impervious to Feminazi bashing, so let it fly.*

 

[PlatinumGold]

pps
Women are accessories for the successful man. I can cook better than any woman I've ever met. I can clean better, sew better and in general, there's only one thing I can't do for myself...well....THAT well, anyway. So there.

hehehe

well, hmmm. if women can find a way to impregnate themselves, there really is no need in this world for men. well, except then who would take out the fvcking trash??

 

[PlatinumGold]

As for it being "good," if you consider hiring an unqualified woman for a job simply because she's attractive or easy "good," well then you're beyond the scope of my abilities.

Let's see, i'm going to hire someone to answer the phone and meet people that walk in the door. do i look for an "Intelligent" but "DOG UGLY" woman?? or do i look for a more attractive woman, who really is only suited to answer phones and greet people. Hmmmm.

to be honest i probably wouldn't hire the intelligent but ugly woman cause i couldn't afford her.

oh man, all the generalizations. I'm gonna get FRIED for this one.

 

[BD2003]

Women objectify men every single bit as much as vice versa. But its a crime to be a male nowadays, no matter what you do youre screwed.

It is up to each particular person. If you like to objectify women, youll likely find a girl that likes to objectify men.

If youre looking for something more than a trophy, chances are the person you will find cares more about you than just your looks.


So for all the women that are complaining, youre either no better yourself, or just looking in the wrong place.