Thought and speech police at it again

[daniel49]

Another blatent example of the aclu enforcing its version of america.

She knew her speech as valedictorian of Foothill High School would be cut short, but Brittany McComb was determined to tell her fellow graduates what was on her mind and in her heart.

But before she could get to the word in her speech that meant the most to her -- Christ -- her microphone went dead
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Aclu gags highschool valedictorian

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[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Another blatent example of the aclu enforcing its version of america. ...

No, it really isn't. First, as far as I can tell, the ACLU had nothing to do with the school's decision. The ACLU comment in your article came after the fact. Second, the girl was doing more than merely mentioning the importance of God in her life. The elided parts of her speech were essentially a sermon. Third, she agreed NOT to read those portions of her speech, then did so anyway. I didn't realize dishonesty was such a common Christian virtue. Finally, due to the proselytizing nature of her speech, the school made a proper decision. Graduation is not the appropriate venue for a sermon.

Having said that that, I wish the school had let it go instead of creating an unneccessary and embarrassing conflict. It was more disruptive to the ceremony than the sermon would have been. They should have dealt with the girl after the ceremony was over.

 

[conjur]

Free speech, sure. But not proselytizing to a captive audience.


:roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

Thank the Lord and Savior she didn't try to thank Satin. The crowd would probably have gone after her head and she'd be appealing to the ACLU to sue the dirty bastards.

 

[Aisengard]

Public Schools don't (and shouldn't) support specific religions, and this was a school-funded speech.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank the Lord and Savior she didn't try to thank Satin. The crowd would probably have gone after her head and she'd be appealing to the ACLU to sue the dirty bastards.

I'd bet my left *and* my right nut that Daniel49 wouldn't even think of posting any threads had she been a Muslim or a Wiccan or *gasp* an atheist.

 

[kogase]

Geez, check out the picture. How many crosses do you have to hang up in your house (remember that's just a picture of one wall) before God gets the idea?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank the Lord and Savior she didn't try to thank Satin. The crowd would probably have gone after her head and she'd be appealing to the ACLU to sue the dirty bastards.

somehow I knew agreeing with your post this morning on the downs syndrome kid that our agreement would end at a record high of one.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank the Lord and Savior she didn't try to thank Satin. The crowd would probably have gone after her head and she'd be appealing to the ACLU to sue the dirty bastards.

I'd bet my left *and* my right nut that Daniel49 wouldn't even think of posting any threads had she been a Muslim or a Wiccan or *gasp* an atheist.

the aclu and the school would have not made a fuss in those cases they would have gotten a *gasp* free pass.

 

[conjur]

Hi, Carnak!

 

[alchemize]

She 18? I'd hit it

 

[daniel49]

Yawn...the responses here sure were unexpected.
:laugh:

 

[Zebo]

Liberals in this thread disappoint. Freedom of speech means just that. If Chirst or Allah or anything else was important to her she should have the right to explain or even proselytize how it modivated her to become top dog in her class. And you wonder how nut jobs like Bush can get elected.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Yawn...the responses here sure were unexpected.
:laugh:

As is your evasion of the points raised. :roll:

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Liberals in this thread disappoint. Freedom of speech means just that. If Chirst or Allah or anything else was important to her she should have the right to explain or even proselytize how it modivated her to become top dog in her class. And you wonder how nut jobs like Bush can get elected.

It's a shame that site doesn't have the text of her speech. Perhaps someone could find it elsewhere. In any case, they discussed this on the Today show this morning and looked briefly at the portions in question. Based on what I heard and the bit I could read, her speech went far beyond merely mentioning how her faith motivated her. It was a mini-sermon. That was the issue, and there are legal precendents supporting the school's decision. (Of course as I said before, they should have let it go anyway.)

 

[moshquerade]

ACLU = Anti Christian Liberties Union

they will defend pretty much any free speech in this country except if it involves Christianity.

there is a partial video of the incident on this page.

http://www.turnto10.com/slideshows/9397873/detail.html

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Yawn...the responses here sure were unexpected.
:laugh:

Here we have a school-funded function. She was proselytizing. What part of this do you not understand.

Even if this wasn't about religion, the school still had every right to turn her microphone off. She deviated from speech that was agreed upon; a process every one of their valedictorians have to go through.

Explain to me what makes her so special?

 

[Zebo]

Before she delivered her commencement speech, McComb met with Foothill administrators, who edited her remarks. It's standard district practice to have graduation speeches vetted before they are read publicly.

Nice bit a facism brought to you by your local schools.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Zebo
Liberals in this thread disappoint. Freedom of speech means just that. If Chirst or Allah or anything else was important to her she should have the right to explain or even proselytize how it modivated her to become top dog in her class. And you wonder how nut jobs like Bush can get elected.

It's a shame that site doesn't have the text of her speech. Perhaps someone could find it elsewhere. In any case, they discussed this on the Today show this morning and looked briefly at the portions in question. Based on what I heard and the bit I could read, her speech went far beyond merely mentioning how her faith motivated her. It was a mini-sermon. That was the issue, and there are legal precendents supporting the school's decision. (Of course as I said before, they should have let it go anyway.)

how many times in a 750 word speech would you have to mention God for it to be considered a sermon?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: daniel49
Yawn...the responses here sure were unexpected.
:laugh:

Here we have a school-funded function. She was proselytizing. What part of this do you not understand.

Even if this wasn't about religion, the school still had every right to turn her microphone off. She deviated from speech that was agreed upon; a process every one of their valedictorians have to go through.

Explain to me what makes her so special?

She was expressing her own faith and was and would be in no sensible mans mind confused with the schools inane policy.
She was intimidated by them as any young man or woman would have been, and then decided she would not be bullied.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's a shame that site doesn't have the text of her speech. Perhaps someone could find it elsewhere. In any case, they discussed this on the Today show this morning and looked briefly at the portions in question. Based on what I heard and the bit I could read, her speech went far beyond merely mentioning how her faith motivated her. It was a mini-sermon. That was the issue, and there are legal precendents supporting the school's decision. (Of course as I said before, they should have let it go anyway.)

how many times in a 750 word speech would you have to mention God for it to be considered a sermon?

Did you read the article?

• In the 750-word unedited version of McComb's speech, she made two references to the lord, nine mentions of God and one mention of Christ.
  
  In the version approved by school officials, six of those words were omitted along with two biblical references. Also deleted from her speech was a reference to God's love being so great that he gave his only son to suffer an excruciated death in order to cover everyone's shortcomings and forge a path to heaven.

I will say that without seeing the entire unedited speech, it's hard to tell just how far over the line it is or is not. Even the Today show coverage only showed pieces. It would be better to see everything in context.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's a shame that site doesn't have the text of her speech. Perhaps someone could find it elsewhere. In any case, they discussed this on the Today show this morning and looked briefly at the portions in question. Based on what I heard and the bit I could read, her speech went far beyond merely mentioning how her faith motivated her. It was a mini-sermon. That was the issue, and there are legal precendents supporting the school's decision. (Of course as I said before, they should have let it go anyway.)

how many times in a 750 word speech would you have to mention God for it to be considered a sermon?

Did you read the article?

• In the 750-word unedited version of McComb's speech, she made two references to the lord, nine mentions of God and one mention of Christ.
  
  In the version approved by school officials, six of those words were omitted along with two biblical references. Also deleted from her speech was a reference to God's love being so great that he gave his only son to suffer an excruciated death in order to cover everyone's shortcomings and forge a path to heaven.

I will say that without seeing the entire unedited speech, it's hard to tell just how far over the line it is or is not. Even the Today show coverage only showed pieces. It would be better to see everything in context.

yes, i did read the article. it was a test to see if you did.

i am interested in hearing/reading her entire speech also, but i couldn't find it online yet.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Zebo
Liberals in this thread disappoint. Freedom of speech means just that. If Chirst or Allah or anything else was important to her she should have the right to explain or even proselytize how it modivated her to become top dog in her class. And you wonder how nut jobs like Bush can get elected.

It's a shame that site doesn't have the text of her speech. Perhaps someone could find it elsewhere. In any case, they discussed this on the Today show this morning and looked briefly at the portions in question. Based on what I heard and the bit I could read, her speech went far beyond merely mentioning how her faith motivated her. It was a mini-sermon. That was the issue, and there are legal precendents supporting the school's decision. (Of course as I said before, they should have let it go.)

I don't care what those dictators with black robes say. That can change with one Supreme Court case. I don't need them to think for me and neither does any other Chirstain voter who clearly sees this as an attack on them by a certain party. Way I read the Consitituton is we have freedom of speech and they muffled her, clearly unconsitutional.. and freedom of religion does'nt mean freedom from religious references. This is what they mean by activist courts.

 

[Strk]

Free speech is something every Americans get, but not when you're in school. Your speech is limited in school. Since this was a school event, it is perfectly acceptable.

 

[dahunan]

Who fvcking cares..

Uhm.. she is telling everyone how much some supposed invisible being means to her

If she really has to talk that way then let her have a 2nd graduation ceremony at her god damned church where people welcome that kind of speech

She KNEW BETTER.. right? so she broke the rules and she also broke her GODS rules... If you know better than STFU

Now she has some small idea what it is like to be persecuted like Gays and Blacks and WITCHES were/are

I hope she tries to sue and then we will find out what type of Xtian she really is