Those who count the votes decide everything.

[Pliablemoose]

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfe...9cdam2.htm?rss=getoday

President Obama has decided to bring the U.S. Census Bureau under White House jurisdiction, a move that incensed House Republicans, who fired off a blistering letter to him Thursday, calling it "outrageous and unprecedented" and a "blatant partisan and political maneuver."

The move would shift the chain of command with the bureau and the Commerce Department, where the bureau currently resides. It comes after the Congressional Black Caucus, National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials and other groups expressed displeasure with Obama's nominee for Commerce secretary, Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire.

I'm concerned about the data being skewed to assist in gerrymandering on a national level.

Thoughts?

 

[RichardE]

Republicans want to play a partisan hack job game to the point of stalemating government. Too bad for them.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Republicans want to play a partisan hack job

Umm...isnt the article about Obama being a partisan hack? This isnt an argument with your girlfriend, trying to flip the issue wont work.

 

[Farang]

I think the issue is more that he gave the two most useless cabinet appointments to Republicans in order to appear bipartisan, and took away the last remaining significant power from Commerce to ensure Democratic control.

 

[bobcpg]

Yeah it makes you wonder why did he do this?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: bobcpg
Yeah it makes you wonder why did he do this?

Because he's as big of a partisan as anyone else.. if not more so. Makes me wonder how much money he got to do this.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: RichardE
Republicans want to play a partisan hack job

Umm...isnt the article about Obama being a partisan hack? This isnt an argument with your girlfriend, trying to flip the issue wont work.

I never said he wasn't being one . He is, and has been becoming more and more lately, the issue is really whether you think he is naturally one or it is in response to the moves by republicans. Try to look at it from both sides Oc, both sides are becoming more polarized as time goes on, the republicans are being idiots though.

In a time when they should be working if only so they are not seen in a bad light, and are able to attract the support and intellectuals the party so desperately needs, they are instead holding on to past ideals which was the reason for the loss of that support and the disenfranchisement of the conservative intellectual base. The party needs to change, if Obama plays hardball enough that eventually some republicans think "We need to coperate so we can rebuild" than all the better. The republicans currently sitting in office, the idiots who keep holding on to some idiotic focused type conservatism instead of what the movement actually should and does mean, these are the ones who deserve to get to be made to look like idiots, and the more it happens the better so that real conservatism can finally get rid of this shit.


Btw, that whole "this isn't an argument with your gf" line makes you look like an idiot when you should have been able to see a little beyond the immediate content of my post

 

[piasabird]

This is because Obamma knows that the census is what determines voting districts and he wants to control the voting districts.

 

[SAWYER]

Repost. Merged.

Fern
AnandTech P&N Moderator

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...on-census-white-house/
This is most certainly political in nature, what else would be the point in doing it?

 

[theexitwound]

Hmm interesting. But the source, FOXNews, nearly always phrases things a little more critically than some other news sources. I'll wait for other custom reports to come out before judging. But isn't everything done by a politician political in nature? They play games continuously with the party's agendas.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: piasabird
This is because Obamma knows that the census is what determines voting districts and he wants to control the voting districts.

State legislatures determine voting districts.

I like considering the simple explanation. Planning for the 2010 census has been an Epic Fail under the Commerce Department and it's time to get serious if we have any chance of getting it right.

 

[Eeezee]

Voting districts are determined by state legislatures. This won't change voting districts in the slightest.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'm not too worried quite yet. He'll have to get past the court challenges for this to happen and I can't see any rational court allowing the census to be partisanly controlled by BHO and Rahm.

 

[Jhhnn]

Repubs would cut off their nose to spite their face at this point.

Obama could play it like this- withdraw the Gregg nomination, replace that name with the most partisan Dem he could find, defy repubs to filibuster.

Or, "Suck it, biatch!"

Be careful what you wish for, boneheads.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Voting districts are determined by state legislatures. This won't change voting districts in the slightest.

Yes it will.

The Democrats have complained for years that blacks and other minorities are under counted.

Now Obama takes over the count and adds a few 'rules' that allow for the 'under counted' to be counted. This adds more blacks to the count than are actually counted and that directly changes how many seats each state gets.

The end result could easily be northern blue states keeping more house seats and the southern red states being cheated out of seats. And that could have an effect on the 2012 election as well.

If Obama picked up the exact same states in 2012 as he did in 2008 he would still end up with less electoral votes. Flip a few of the states it becomes easier for a Republican to win. Every state that is expected to pick up seats went for Bush in 2008, except California. Almost every state that is expected to lose votes in 2012 voted for Gore, except Ohio and Missouri.
expected outcome

 

[Jhhnn]

Nice spin, PJ. The projections refer to the 2004 election, and, uhh, there seems to have been a sort of sea change in 2008, a trend that isn't likely to be reversed anytime RSN...

The notion that blacks are any more undercounted in the north than the south is entirely counter-intuitive, as well. Given that many southern states have larger percentages of blacks than their northern cousins, it makes you whole supposition suspect, to say the least...

And this bit of partisan fluff gave me a good laugh-

If Obama picked up the exact same states in 2012 as he did in 2008 he would still end up with less electoral votes.

Yeh, and he'd still win handily, making your commentary look like a combination of wishful thinking and fearmongering, which it is...

 

[moparacer]

Didn't get this question asked at the presser tonight did we?????

Noooooooooooooo.......

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Voting districts are determined by state legislatures. This won't change voting districts in the slightest.

Yes it will.

The Democrats have complained for years that blacks and other minorities are under counted.

Now Obama takes over the count and adds a few 'rules' that allow for the 'under counted' to be counted. This adds more blacks to the count than are actually counted and that directly changes how many seats each state gets.

The end result could easily be northern blue states keeping more house seats and the southern red states being cheated out of seats. And that could have an effect on the 2012 election as well.

If Obama picked up the exact same states in 2012 as he did in 2008 he would still end up with less electoral votes. Flip a few of the states it becomes easier for a Republican to win. Every state that is expected to pick up seats went for Bush in 2008, except California. Almost every state that is expected to lose votes in 2012 voted for Gore, except Ohio and Missouri.
expected outcome

well as long as he at least pulls on a national level what Texas did a few years back then I'll be happy. Reciprocity ftw!

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfe...9cdam2.htm?rss=getoday

President Obama has decided to bring the U.S. Census Bureau under White House jurisdiction, a move that incensed House Republicans, who fired off a blistering letter to him Thursday, calling it "outrageous and unprecedented" and a "blatant partisan and political maneuver."

The move would shift the chain of command with the bureau and the Commerce Department, where the bureau currently resides. It comes after the Congressional Black Caucus, National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials and other groups expressed displeasure with Obama's nominee for Commerce secretary, Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire.

I'm concerned about the data being skewed to assist in gerrymandering on a national level.

Thoughts?

Kvetch, kvetch, kvetch what the Right does best. Like a back seat driver complaining about the driving and when behind the wheel drives right into the ditch.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Voting districts are determined by state legislatures. This won't change voting districts in the slightest.

But it will change the composition of the electoral college.