Those wacky house Republicans are at it again

shira

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Cliffs: The SEC's budget is funded entirely by levies on those the SEC regulates - Wall Street firms - the very same firms responsible for cratering the U.S. economy. However, the SEC budget is defined in the yearly federal budget. So if the SEC budget is cut, that means that on a yearly basis, it can levy fees only up to the defined budget limit - not a penny more.

The upshot of reducing the SEC budget is zero savings to the U.S. taxpayer and a loss of many millions - perhaps billions - of dollars is fines assessed during SEC enforcement actions. Even worse, reducing the SEC's budget also results in a market that's under-regulated, and therefore more subject to dishonest practices.

In the face of this, one would think that it's in most Americans' interests to generously fund the SEC. But House Republicans think that the appropriate response to mistakes made by the SEC in failing to catch crooks is to impose a REDUCED budget, guaranteeing that the SEC will catch even fewer crooks.

Think about it: Suppose there's an epidemic of murders in your city. The short-handed police come under criticism for not catching enough of the criminals. What do you think would be an appropriate response to this situation? According to House Republicans, the police budget should be further decreased (and presumably, if even more murders result, the police budget should be reduced even more).

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/business/budget-cuts-to-sec-reduce-its-effectiveness.html?_r=1&hp

The economy is still suffering from the worst financial crisis since the Depression, and widespread anger persists that financial institutions that caused it received bailouts of billions of taxpayer dollars and haven’t been held accountable for any wrongdoing. Yet the House Appropriations Committee has responded by starving the agency responsible for bringing financial wrongdoers to justice — while putting over $200 million that could otherwise have been spent on investigations and enforcement actions back into the pockets of Wall Street.

A few weeks ago, the Republican-controlled appropriations committee cut the Securities and Exchange Commission’s fiscal 2012 budget request by $222.5 million, to $1.19 billion (the same as this year’s), even though the S.E.C.’s responsibilities were vastly expanded under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. Charged with protecting investors and policing markets, the S.E.C. is the nation’s front-line defense against financial fraud. The committee’s accompanying report referred to the agency’s “troubled past” and “lack of ability to manage funds,” and said the committee “remains concerned with the S.E.C.’s track record in dealing with Ponzi schemes.” The report stressed, “With the federal debt exceeding $14 trillion, the committee is committed to reducing the cost and size of government.”

But cutting the S.E.C.’s budget will have no effect on the budget deficit, won’t save taxpayers a dime and could cost the Treasury millions in lost fees and penalties. That’s because the S.E.C. isn’t financed by tax revenue, but rather by fees levied on those it regulates, which include all the big securities firms.

A little-noticed provision in Dodd-Frank mandates that those fees can’t exceed the S.E.C.’s budget. So cutting its requested budget by $222.5 million saves Wall Street the same amount, and means regulated firms will pay $136 million less in fiscal 2012 than they did the previous year, the S.E.C. projects.

Moreover, enforcement actions generate billions of dollars in revenue in the form of fines, disgorgements and other penalties. Last year the S.E.C. turned over $2.2 billion to victims of financial wrongdoing and paid hundreds of millions more to the Treasury, helping to reduce the deficit.

But the S.E.C. has become a favorite whipping boy of those hostile to market reforms. Admittedly the agency has given them plenty of fodder: revelations that a few staff members were looking at pornography on their office computers; a questionable $557 million lease for new office space, subsequently unwound; and the agency’s notorious failure to catch Bernard Madoff. Nonetheless, in the wake of the recent Ponzi schemes, evidence of growing insider-trading rings involving the Galleon Group and others, potential market manipulation in the still-mystifying flash crash, not to mention myriad unanswered questions about wrongdoing during the financial crisis, the need for vigorous securities law enforcement seems both self-evident and compelling.

A bribery scandal at Tyson Foods — a scheme that Tyson itself admitted — resulted in charges against the company earlier this year. But no individuals were charged. While the S.E.C. wouldn’t disclose its reasons, the case involved foreign witnesses and was therefore expensive to investigate and prosecute. The decision not to pursue charges may have involved many factors, but one disturbing possibility was that the agency simply couldn’t afford to, given its limited resources.

Robert Khuzami, the S.E.C.’s head of enforcement, told me his division was underfunded even before Dodd-Frank expanded its responsibilities and that the proposed appropriation would leave his division in dire straits. The S.E.C. oversees more than 35,000 publicly traded companies and regulated institutions, not counting the hedge fund advisers that would be added under the new legislation. While he wouldn’t comment on Tyson, he noted that with fixed costs like salaries accounting for nearly 70 percent of the agency’s budget, “you have to squeeze the savings out of what’s left, like travel, and especially foreign travel, at a time we see more globalization, more insider trading through offshore accounts. It’s highly cost-intensive.”

An S.E.C. memo on the committee’s proposed budget warns: “We may be forced to decline to prosecute certain persons who violate the law; settle cases on terms we might otherwise not prefer; name fewer defendants in a given action; restrict the types of investigative techniques employed; or conclude investigations earlier than we otherwise would.”

It’s not just that cases aren’t being adequately investigated and filed. Under Mr. Khuzami and the S.E.C.’s chairwoman, Mary L. Schapiro, the enforcement division has tried to be more proactive, detecting complex frauds before they cost investors billions. Mr. Khuzami stressed that analyzing trading patterns involves a staggering amount of data, especially the high-frequency trading that crippled markets during last year’s flash crash, and requires investment in state-of-the-art information technology the S.E.C. lacks. Sorting through the wreckage of the mortgage crisis, with its complex derivatives and millions of mortgages bundled into esoteric trading vehicles, is highly labor-intensive.

By way of comparison, in 2009 Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase, two institutions the S.E.C. regulates, spent $4.6 billion each — four times the S.E.C.’s entire annual budget — on information technology alone. Under the House’s proposed budget, the S.E.C.’s resources for technology would be cut by $10 million and a $50 million reserve fund earmarked for technology would be eliminated.

If anything, the agency’s failure to detect the Madoff scheme despite four ineffectual investigations would argue in favor of more, not less, enforcement spending. One investigation foundered when the Madoff team was abruptly shifted to mutual fund market timing, since the S.E.C. lacked the manpower to do both. An important tip got lost in the system because of inadequate tracking mechanisms. Another Madoff investigation didn’t get logged into the computer system, so one office didn’t know what the other was doing. And the most glaring problem identified by the S.E.C.’s inspector general was that investigators lacked the expertise to ask the right questions.

Mr. Khuzami said the agency had addressed all the Madoff issues that didn’t involve additional funding. But “at some point you have to develop the expertise. We’ve done some hiring, but that is threatened now.” One consequence of the proposed appropriation is “to essentially freeze hiring for 2012,” according to the S.E.C. memo.

It’s hard to believe that enforcing the securities laws — most of which long predate the recent Dodd-Frank reforms — would be a partisan issue. Yet it has sparked a fierce ideological clash, with Republicans lining up to criticize the agency and withhold funds. “Republicans are falsely invoking the deficit to effectively repeal Dodd-Frank,” Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, said. “These people are ideologues.” My requests for comment to two vocal critics of the S.E.C. in Congress —Representatives Spencer Bachus, the appropriations committee chairman from Alabama, and Scott Garrett of New Jersey, both Republicans — went unanswered.

Given the magnitude of the S.E.C.’s task, Congress could make Wall Street firms pay more and not less to police the mess they helped create. A government that wants to hold wrongdoers’ feet to the fire and prevent future abuses could finance an S.E.C. enforcement surge analogous to the military’s strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan. Congress could fully finance the S.E.C.’s requested $1.4 billion — and add another $100 million for technology spending. The $1.5 billion would be paid entirely through fees. Financing the S.E.C. adds nothing to the federal deficit and, on the contrary, will help reduce it. It is an investment that would most likely generate increased fines and penalties that could be returned to defrauded investors and taxpayers.

“People say we aren’t charging enough individuals,” Mr. Khuzami said. “But we have a strong enforcement record. We aren’t acting recklessly, or operating in the gray areas, but rather bringing cases involving real frauds and misconduct and returning funds to victims. We need funding to continue those efforts, efforts that even Milton Friedman” — the noted free market economist — “conceded were an appropriate role for government.”
 

sandorski

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Don't worry man, further Tax Cuts to those same people will decrease the likelihood of them resorting to shenanigans.
 

JSt0rm

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If you cut my taxes so all I see are profits with no penalty i wont spend money.

If you tax me at 90% I'm going to make sure its all spent helping the economy at the same time.

The problem are all these people who just collect a check think that by lowering taxes you put more money in the pocket of their boss and thats true its just at the EXPENSE of economic activity.

I really dont understand how they think lowering taxes is somehow the holy grail of economic activity.
 

shira

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Don't worry man, further Tax Cuts to those same people will decrease the likelihood of them resorting to shenanigans.

Republicans also want to cut the budget for the IRS. Because as we all know more enforcement means less cheating means more revenue = tax increase. So we must do everything we can to make the IRS less efficient.
 

JSt0rm

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Republicans also want to cut the budget for the IRS. Because as we all know more enforcement means less cheating means more revenue = tax increase. So we must do everything we can to make the IRS less efficient.

what they really want is the rapture and Armageddon. How did these people get into positions of power?
 

trenchfoot

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This is all just a kneejerk reaction by the very rich who want to make a buck the easiest and fastest way possible like any common criminal would.

What happened during Bush's two terms in office is a very clear example of what big business is capable of if the gov't (Bush and Cheney) takes the leash off of them and let them run hog wild in our national chamber of treasures. They cleaned it all out and then went ahead and ran a line of credit that sunk us into the deepest financial pit we've ever been in as a nation.

Hang on to yer lugnuts, as they're positioning themselves for yet another raid of whatever's left to pillage and loot out of our nation's coffers.

All they want is for the middle class and the poor to get their grimey, work hardened stink'in hands away from the treasury via Social Security, Medicare etc. so the rich can have it all for themselves.

The very rich want to use the tax dollars I pay into the treasury against me and the rest of the middle class and the poor by further corrupting the politicians that we vote for the purpose of completely taking away our voices in how our gov't should serve the common people's needs.
 

woolfe9999

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Help me here. Is there a reason other than rank stupidity that so many middle class people in this country buy into this radical ideology? I just don't get it.
 

mchammer187

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Help me here. Is there a reason other than rank stupidity that so many middle class people in this country buy into this radical ideology? I just don't get it.


firstly is single issue voters

Gun Control
Abortion
Gay Marriage/ Rights

anyone who feels strongly about one of these issues over all others is gonna vote republican/democrat depending on their view.

Republicans also have a strong support from military.

Add the religious right (base) and these people care more about legislating morality above all else.

and after that add the extremely rich and you have yourself a decently large constituency.
 

Craig234

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Paul Krugman this week:

A number of commentators seem shocked at how unreasonable Republicans are being. “Has the G.O.P. gone insane?” they ask.

Why, yes, it has. But this isn’t something that just happened, it’s the culmination of a process that has been going on for decades. Anyone surprised by the extremism and irresponsibility now on display either hasn’t been paying attention, or has been deliberately turning a blind eye.

And may I say to those suddenly agonizing over the mental health of one of our two major parties: People like you bear some responsibility for that party’s current state.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/15-1
 

Jhhnn

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It's the Republican version of financial reform- Deregulated finance in the global free market economy, and no taxes on the money made in the process... see the Ryan budget.

If it's Free, then it's gotta be good, right?
 

PeshakJang

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Each of the last 2 (at least) financial reports from the SEC have included statements from the auditors that have basically concluded, the SEC has basically no clue how much money it gets, where it gets it from, and where it goes. Accounts sit idle for months to years, liabilities go unchecked, expenses go unreported, accounting statements are a mess, etc.

To liken it to your example... that same police department that hasn't been able to control the crime in a city comes to the mayor and asks for $200,000,000 more next year, and when the mayor asks what they did with the money they got this year, the Chief says, "I donno"

On top of that, many of the provisions of Dodd-Frank are being funded from a seperate account, funded entirely by settlements and fines levied against corporations, which are not affected by any limits. This account currently has over $450 million in it already.

Dodd-Frank does restrict exchange transaction fees (and transaction fees alone) to be capped at the annual congressional appropriation limit, as opposed to the flat $15 per MM now... however the current law already states that the SEC may only obligate up to what is appropriated in any given year, that has not changed at all. Dodd-Frank also removes limitations on other fees assessed, allowing the federal government full access to use them as general revenues. But hey... who wrote that?
 

Icepick

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firstly is single issue voters

Gun Control
Abortion
Gay Marriage/ Rights

anyone who feels strongly about one of these issues over all others is gonna vote republican/democrat depending on their view.

Republicans also have a strong support from military.

Add the religious right (base) and these people care more about legislating morality above all else.

and after that add the extremely rich and you have yourself a decently large constituency.

For the past 30 years the 3 "G's" of the GOP's platforms have been God, Guns and Gays. Unfortunately, these simple issues appeal to the masses of uneducated Americans who don't have an interest in economics other than "Lower my taxes, dammit!" In reality, the true agenda of the Republican party has been to transfer wealth from hard working Americans into the hands of the ruling elite.
 

JSt0rm

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For the past 30 years the 3 "G's" of the GOP's platforms have been God, Guns and Gays. Unfortunately, these simple issues appeal to the masses of uneducated Americans who don't have an interest in economics other than "Lower my taxes, dammit!" In reality, the true agenda of the Republican party has been to transfer wealth from hard working Americans into the hands of the ruling elite.

But it was smart. those simple issues appeal to simple easily manipulated people.
 

a777pilot

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Stupid is as stupid does.

How do you feel about those tax brakes for private jets?

Before you answer you might want to reseach when, how and who started them. LOL!
 

MovingTarget

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Stupid is as stupid does.

How do you feel about those tax brakes for private jets?

Before you answer you might want to research when, how and who started them. LOL!

When, how, and who are unimportant. What is important is WHY.
 

MovingTarget

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OK, I'll play: Why do we have taxes breaks for private jets?

This ought to be good.

I think you missed my point, a777pilot. I could care less who passed it, when it was passed, and the specifics of how. What is important is WHY.

Why did this pass to begin with? Why should it remain in the tax code given our current fiscal situation?

Thats what we should be looking at now. I didn't post that to justify or denounce that particular tax break. It was a comment about the debate itself.
 

Fern

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When, how, and who are unimportant. What is important is WHY.

When - 2009 (Stimulus Bill)

How - The additional tax breaks for business aircraft were part of the stimulus bill.

Who - Obama (IMO, mostly Pelosi & Reid) and the Democrats in their stimulus bill

Why - Lots of jobs were being lost by American aircraft manufacturers. The break was intended to stimulate job creation.

I.e., Obama was for it before he was against it. Somehow he's trying to stigmatize Repubs for something he and his party did.

Fern
 

Craig234

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The tax breaks for corporate jets aren't just what passed in 2009, and go back a long way before Obama.

For a long time, corporate executives have had a tax break allowing them to treat personal trips on corporate jets as valued only at the price of a commercial first class ticket.
 

thraashman

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When - 2009 (Stimulus Bill)

How - The additional tax breaks for business aircraft were part of the stimulus bill.

Who - Obama (IMO, mostly Pelosi & Reid) and the Democrats in their stimulus bill

Why - Lots of jobs were being lost by American aircraft manufacturers. The break was intended to stimulate job creation.

I.e., Obama was for it before he was against it. Somehow he's trying to stigmatize Repubs for something he and his party did.

Fern

It's called learning and applying what you've learned. Something Republicans seem woefully bad at.
 

a777pilot

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This is getting out of hand....but fun....

I for one would love to get rid of ALL these tax loop holes and government subsidies, but I don't make the laws. Those with the big bucks do.
 

Macamus Prime

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Conservatives are cutting out the regulation and red tape for their rich buddies.

Is anyone really surprised here?