Those stupid 120V outlets !(and poor quality American market products..)

Jerboy

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Most of us who lives in United States/Canada in a house built in a past decade or two will have bunch of three prong grounded duplex outlets. Is any of your outlet completely loose to the point it won't work, one of two plug doesn't work or simply a bit too loose? My cell phone's battery charger fell off the wall about once a week so, I took today and checked every outlet's in the house. There was quite a few loose and defunct outlets and in the end, I replaced eight outlets today. By the way I bought a ten pack for $4 at Lowe's, so it couldn't be built too well...

I took apart one of the old outlet I took out and I was very amazed at what I saw inside. There is no spring in there like many of us would probably speculate it. There was two pieces of brass, each weighing about 1/6 oz. One served the left side, other seved the right side and ground brass was attached to the backplate. No wonder these are 39cents each!.. They can do wonder in cutting every corners possible without making it too obvious from outside :Q

Seems to me that houses are built with cheap ass materials like this that looks just like a quality counterpart with an assumptions that the buyer will live for a few years and sell the house relatively soon. Some parts such as outlets are disposable and designed to last a few years before needing replacement. Would you say this is the result of American's evergrowing desire to go with "alright looking", but sloppy low initial cost products? I'm not being stereotypical, but it is a well known fact that many American consumers don't think about durability, long term costs, jumps for cheap-ass low initial cost items. This probably has alot to do with brand name companies making crap products in order to compete as well as being forced out of business by Taiwan giants.





<< What about them? >>



I accidentally hit "post" before I even typed in one word :eek:

 

minendo

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<< Those stupid 120V outlets ! >>


Did you get your d!ck stuck in there again?
 

N8Magic

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<<

<< Those stupid 120V outlets ! >>


Did you get your d!ck stuck in there again?
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*shudders*
 

Derango

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Although this has already been mentioned...I feel obligiated to add this to every Jerboy post...

Break out the scroll!!
 

Dhawk

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Jerboy,

I don't think you are going to get out of this world alive!
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Koing

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<< Although this has already been mentioned...I feel obligiated to add this to every Jerboy post...

Break out the scroll!!
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WTF?
 

Jerboy

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By the way it's a Leviton, 15A 125V(standard rating for most 120V switches and outlets), typical two socket outlet. Proudly Made in USA...

 

Viperoni

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Wattgate Duplex outlets, $1445 for a ten pack



<< Installation of the 381 is simple and efficient due to rear wiring and large, #10 brass terminal screws. The terminal clamps are gold plated, solid brass and shaped to better grip the conductors. Like the 330 and 350, the 381 leaves the competition behind with its contacts. They are configured in a triple-wipe design to allow the plug blade to be gripped at three separate points. Additionally, the contacts are made of very heavy-duty material to maximize the clamping spring-rate and ensure conductivity and the three-layer plating process is also completed on the 381: Oxygen free copper plating, electroless nickel, and finally 24k gold plating dramatically improves conductivity and prevents
corrosion.
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;)
 

PsychoAndy

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Don't most outlets use 2 pieces of brass like that? I've NEVER seen an outlet with springs. Hell, get one from Taiwan, and it'll probably be the same.
BTW, none of my outlets are "loose".
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narzy

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I would just like to point out that you were the cheap ass who bought the 10pack for 4 bucks. instead of getting the 1 pack for 10 bucks...you get what you pay for.
 

Ornery

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"I took apart one of the old outlet I took out and I was very amazed at what I saw inside."

Damn, that's something I would do! :Q

"Some parts such as outlets are disposable and designed to last a few years before needing replacement. "

I don't really think they're designed to have a heavy power brick hanging out of them.

"Would you say this is the result of American's evergrowing desire to go with "alright looking", but sloppy low initial cost products? I'm not being stereotypical, but it is a well known fact that many American consumers don't think about durability, long term costs, jumps for cheap-ass low initial cost items. "

This is generally true, but nothing to do with outlets, which must meet Underwriters laboratory standards. The fact that an outlet can pinch the prongs tight enough to hold a heavy power brick is more a testament to their quality, than proof they were actually designed to be able to do that.


Edit: "Its a shame he didnt leave the power on while changing the outlets..."

Damn, that's something else I would do! :p
 

narzy

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<< Wattgate Duplex outlets, $1445 for a ten pack



<< Installation of the 381 is simple and efficient due to rear wiring and large, #10 brass terminal screws. The terminal clamps are gold plated, solid brass and shaped to better grip the conductors. Like the 330 and 350, the 381 leaves the competition behind with its contacts. They are configured in a triple-wipe design to allow the plug blade to be gripped at three separate points. Additionally, the contacts are made of very heavy-duty material to maximize the clamping spring-rate and ensure conductivity and the three-layer plating process is also completed on the 381: Oxygen free copper plating, electroless nickel, and finally 24k gold plating dramatically improves conductivity and prevents
corrosion.
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;)
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I stand owned.
 

Jerboy

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narzy:

the replacements I bought were $4 for pack, but the sad thing is, whatever they used when they built this house is just as bad. If I was building a new house that I plan on living for more than a few years, you bet I won't buy crappiest of everything.



Where would you, other than North America find something so cheaply(relative cost, it is not fair to compare US and China in terms of absolute cost) built with only initial cost in mind?. In Europe, outlets costs at least a few dollars each and was it Switcherland or Sweden that required a strict compliance and standard outlets+wall box cost $30 or so?

I have to say Underwriter's laboratory is BS alot of the time. Did you know their 1996 certfication for surge protector was granted when they put the surge protector in question and won't set cheesecloth on fire when it's wrapped around it and subjected to surge? If it chars or blackens, it will pass the test. So far as long as cheesecloth doesn't catch on fire.

Do you guys know what I'm talking about or do y'all simply don't give a damn about quality ?
 

danm

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If you want quality you can get Hospital grade outlets for $ 8 or 10 ea which you can beat with a hammer and they won't break . most people don't want to spend that much
 

Booster

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Well, no wonder. Outlest must be cheap. Certain things just have to be cheap. We can't pay lots of money for every little thing. That's what cost-effectiveness means!
 

toph99

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my house is about 13 years old, and we have the standard $0.78 power outlets(cnd $) and have never, ever, had a problem with them. maybe ours are made in canada... ;)
 

minendo

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<< Well, no wonder. Outlest must be cheap. Certain things just have to be cheap. We can't pay lots of money for every little thing. That's what cost-effectiveness means! >>


Well then Mr. Cost-Effectiveness, why does someone keep putting a quarter into Jerboy?
 

UltraQuiet

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<< Well then Mr. Cost-Effectiveness, why does someone keep putting a quarter into Jerboy? >>


Cheap entertainment.
 

Mark R

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What you need is a good old British 3 pin 13A plug and socket. Big solid shielded prongs, shuttered sockets, and a great big earth contact which is guaranteed make-first break-last. Even the cheapest are built like a brick privvy, and even pregnant plugs fit nice and tight for year after year. Indiviudally fused plugs enhance safety by allowing fuse ratings to be matched to the appliance.

There are few things that the British have got right, but this is one of them - shame that the EU now want to replace them with the much inferior european ones.
 

Kadarin

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The general concensus in the US is that when you buy a house, it appreciates in value (particularly here in the Bay Area, where in the recent past people have been able to sell their house for double the original purchase price within a relatively short span of time). The incentive, then, is for contractors to build homes cheaply at high profit, believing that a low percentage of families will live in them for a long period of time. This is not limited to electrical outlets, but affects the entire house. For example, the use of pressboard (essentially compressed sawdust glued together) permeates the structure (even including loadbearing joists underneath the ground floor).

In most cases, to solve the electrical outlet problem, I squeese together slightly the prongs on the electrical cord of whatever appliance has a problem.