Those in Law-Enforcement...

[evident]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: evident
all my experiences with law enforcement and cops make have led me to the conclusion that MOST (95%) of them are crooked assholes who are in it for the pension, and to hassle good law-abiding people with BS traffic tickets.

i dont trust them, and i don't feel safer when they are around

So you hate them because they enforce traffic/state laws that the legislators created?

Nice logic.


btw, who are you going to call if you are in trouble?

p.s. stop driving like a retard and you will not get pull over.

they enforce laws that are designed to make the township money. getting pulled over for drunk driving on the wrong side of the road is one thing, but if you live in certain areas, there are some traffic laws that are ridiculously strict, areas where speed limits change from 55 to 35 without reasonable notice, stop signs on offramps where yield signs should be, and excessive show of police force in towns where there is no crime, and cops would rather spend the time pulling over drivers who violate minor traffic laws in between going to dunkin donuts.

I don't drive like a "retard". I drive about 100 miles a day, and I try to be as safe as possible. I can't wait till you get pulled over for going 60 in a 55mph zone in the highway then have to pay a $200 ticket so the asshole can meet his quota.

your holier-than-thou attitude is lame :roll:

There are no quotas as much as you would like to think there are. Nor have I ever heard of someone getting pulled over and given a $200 ticket for 5mph over the speed limit.

As for you arguments against laws that you don't agree with-- you know there are ways to combat that. Instead of just continually breaking them so that they have to ticket you, you could go in front of your county board of supervisors or whatever legislator controls that where you live.

I actually just got pulled 2 weeks ago for accelerating too fast by a state police officer. It would have been my first ticket. The police officer saw my clean record, I apologized for accelerating fast and was very polite. The officer merely nodded and said that I should just take it easy and be safe-- I thanked him an went on my way with a still clean record -- They aren't out to make the county/city money there big guy.

-Kevin

1. believe me, it happens in jersey. to make it worse, the court process is an extreme hassle, usually requiring person to take at least two days off of work if they want to see their case go completely through to trial. when you are in court, you get intimidated by the prosecutors to pay the original fine (even though you pled not guilty before) or a no-point ticket of $460. (in jersey, most minor traffic offenses can either pay the ticket with points, or do that latter option). to me that's just plain fleecing of citizens and extortion at its finest. how does going 5-10mph over the limit on a highway threaten society? or slow rolling a stopsign when there's no one around? right. but if a cop sees you there, it means you are easy money. you "violated the law"

2. the process is an inconvenience. If going to the supervisors is anything like going to court and waiting 5 hours for your turn to speak then I wouldn't want any part of it at all.

3. i've had good cop experiences as well. i think we need to both acknowledge there is shittiness in the system and there are good honest cops out there. but human nature is to take advantage of the system, and to take the easiest route possible. that is, write BS tickets when there is nothing better to do,

but in my experience i've gotten burned when my house got broken into, things were stolen, fingerprints were there, but the detective didnt bother taking any fingerprints or doing any further investigation (wtf?) he just said the typical "we'll just keep more patrols in the area" ok buddy thanks for making me feel safter
or the time when my mom's car got rearended in the gas station, we got the exact make and model of the car w/ partial license plate, and a witness, but the police never tracked down the person. yup. cops at work!

oh and ever see how fast a cop goes on a highway? that also pisses me off to no end.

 

[Agentbolt]

What cops are you talking about, the Soviet Secret Police? Killing innocent people nice try...

Are you kidding me? Less than a WEEK ago there was a long, cited post by someone here about the Chicago cops getting hit with a multi-million dollar settlement in civil court over killing an unarmed innocent civilian during a routine traffic stop. The best part of that article was a PR spokesman for the Chi-Town police explaining why, after tons of new evidence was found that proved the cop guilty of basically murder (which is why the civil case was won), there wasn't further criminal investigations into the matter, and her answer was "Once a shooting case is closed, it's closed". "Even if new evidence comes in?" "Yes, it stays closed".

How can anyone not find that infuriating? Not only did an innocent person get shot, but the police department has NO INTEREST in doing anything to stop the situation from happening again. We've got cops who broke into a deaf guy's house, and tazed him when he didn't follow their directions, despite the fact that they broke into the wrong house. We've got another cop shown repeatedly tazing a screaming, sobbing woman on the ground for not driving with a license. We've got a cop pulling over some teenager for having a taillight out, and when asked why he pulled over the kid, went into a screaming tirade and threatened to invent charges to make sure the kid went to jail.

I don't care that these are a minority of all cops. So because X% cops are bad, we should just ignore the problem? And every bad cop is a serious problem because COPS AREN'T REGULAR PEOPLE, which is a fact that the cop apologists seem to ignore time and time again. Every single cop who does his job poorly or breaks the law is a much, much bigger threat to society than Joe Six Pack who does the same.

A great example of the general ATOT attitude around here regarding cops is someone's argument as to why the cop who pulled over the teenager and flipped out (while threatening to invent charges against the kid to make sure he went to jail) was not in the wrong was "When an authority figure asks you a question, you do not respond with a question". That's the general "Cops are infallible and the system is perfect and it's your job to take it up the ass whenever the legal system asks you to" attitude that bugs me. Until I see some sort of cohesive effort to make the system even slightly better, I'm going to continue doing everything legally possible to make cop's lives more difficult. It's not a terribly mature or productive attitude to have, but the whole situation infuriates me and it's not like I have a lot of other avenues to pursue to blow off steam about the whole thing.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
And lets talk about doctors... Sure they save lives, but look how much it costs to go to one. And don't even start talking about how high bills are if you have no insurance. Doctors are in it for the money alone and not the satisfaction of making others feel better. They all sit in their golf carts at the local golf course they are members of and smoke their fat stogies after diagnosing a few patients, laughing at how others have to work for a living.

Man, generalizing IS fun!!!! :roll:

Doctors don't work for a living? Yeah, generalizing is fun. While you were fooling around in high school and uni they were the ones who actually worked their asses off, went to medical school, and finished their residencies. They deserve it. It's someone's own fault if they couldn't afford insurance. They could go back to school and get a fucking education and then they wouldn't have to work menial jobs for the rest of their lives.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

What cops are you talking about, the Soviet Secret Police? Killing innocent people nice try...

Are you kidding me? Less than a WEEK ago there was a long, cited post by someone here about the Chicago cops getting hit with a multi-million dollar settlement in civil court over killing an unarmed innocent civilian during a routine traffic stop. The best part of that article was a PR spokesman for the Chi-Town police explaining why, after tons of new evidence was found that proved the cop guilty of basically murder (which is why the civil case was won), there wasn't further criminal investigations into the matter, and her answer was "Once a shooting case is closed, it's closed". "Even if new evidence comes in?" "Yes, it stays closed".

How can anyone not find that infuriating? Not only did an innocent person get shot, but the police department has NO INTEREST in doing anything to stop the situation from happening again. We've got cops who broke into a deaf guy's house, and tazed him when he didn't follow their directions, despite the fact that they broke into the wrong house. We've got another cop shown repeatedly tazing a screaming, sobbing woman on the ground for not driving with a license. We've got a cop pulling over some teenager for having a taillight out, and when asked why he pulled over the kid, went into a screaming tirade and threatened to invent charges to make sure the kid went to jail.

I don't care that these are a minority of all cops. So because X% cops are bad, we should just ignore the problem? And every bad cop is a serious problem because COPS AREN'T REGULAR PEOPLE, which is a fact that the cop apologists seem to ignore time and time again. Every single cop who does his job poorly or breaks the law is a much, much bigger threat to society than Joe Six Pack who does the same.

A great example of the general ATOT attitude around here regarding cops is someone's argument as to why the cop who pulled over the teenager and flipped out (while threatening to invent charges against the kid to make sure he went to jail) was not in the wrong was "When an authority figure asks you a question, you do not respond with a question". That's the general "Cops are infallible and the system is perfect and it's your job to take it up the ass whenever the legal system asks you to" attitude that bugs me. Until I see some sort of cohesive effort to make the system even slightly better, I'm going to continue doing everything legally possible to make cop's lives more difficult. It's not a terribly mature or productive attitude to have, but the whole situation infuriates me and it's not like I have a lot of other avenues to pursue to blow off steam about the whole thing.

Wait for the ATOT people to respond well if that kid wasnt driving like a retard with his taillight out he wouldn't have gotten pulled over. he was probably a ricer anyway. :laugh:

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
And lets talk about doctors... Sure they save lives, but look how much it costs to go to one. And don't even start talking about how high bills are if you have no insurance. Doctors are in it for the money alone and not the satisfaction of making others feel better. They all sit in their golf carts at the local golf course they are members of and smoke their fat stogies after diagnosing a few patients, laughing at how others have to work for a living.

Man, generalizing IS fun!!!! :roll:

Doctors don't work for a living? Yeah, generalizing is fun. While you were fooling around in high school and uni they were the ones who actually worked their asses off, went to medical school, and finished their residencies. They deserve it. It's someone's own fault if they couldn't afford insurance. They could go back to school and get a fucking education and then they wouldn't have to work menial jobs for the rest of their lives.

I think certain cops make others look bad, but i know cops in my town who were bullies and assholes in HS whos life went nowhere. so they became cops so they can still push people around. It's the same story in many suburbia towns

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
And lets talk about doctors... Sure they save lives, but look how much it costs to go to one. And don't even start talking about how high bills are if you have no insurance. Doctors are in it for the money alone and not the satisfaction of making others feel better. They all sit in their golf carts at the local golf course they are members of and smoke their fat stogies after diagnosing a few patients, laughing at how others have to work for a living.

Man, generalizing IS fun!!!! :roll:

Doctors don't work for a living? Yeah, generalizing is fun. While you were fooling around in high school and uni they were the ones who actually worked their asses off, went to medical school, and finished their residencies. They deserve it. It's someone's own fault if they couldn't afford insurance. They could go back to school and get a fucking education and then they wouldn't have to work menial jobs for the rest of their lives.

If you couldn't tell, my WHOLE post was dripping with sarcasm.

Computer tech people are obviously NOT all nerds who drink mountain dew and play world of warcraft.
Doctors DO save lives. I rely heavily on EMS/Doctors all the time in my line of work. If it werent for EMS/Doctors, the suicidal subject I dealt with last night would now be dead.

My comments were saying that you can make all sorts of generalizations on any occupation, but it doesn't mean they are true.

Here's some batteries for your sarcasm detector.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
ATOT members rant against cops checklist:

Mention of Quotas? Check!
"Majority of cops are assholes" comments? Check!
Mention of Donuts? Check!
People not knowing what they are talking about? Check!

You know, all computer tech people are just a bunch of nerds who sit around, drink mountain dew and play world of warcraft all day. None of them know what they are doing unless they have access to google, and even when they DO fix something, something else fucks up. They think they are above everybody else just because their computers are supposedly superior to the ones they work on. Anyone could do it.

And lets talk about doctors... Sure they save lives, but look how much it costs to go to one. And don't even start talking about how high bills are if you have no insurance. Doctors are in it for the money alone and not the satisfaction of making others feel better. They all sit in their golf carts at the local golf course they are members of and smoke their fat stogies after diagnosing a few patients, laughing at how others have to work for a living.

Man, generalizing IS fun!!!! :roll:

Oh oh, Dont forget:

"This one time my friend..." story.

BTW:

All of ATOT needs to get laid as they are all virgins.
And all engineers only take showers once a week.

WEE GENERALIZE!

 

[TallBill]

Wasn't an issue for me at Ft. Campbell, but that was on a military base.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

Yeah, you're right, of course. I should just ignore the mountains of anecdotal evidence that the current system is broken and enabling for crooked cops and instead assume everything is just peachy keen. Because hey, they're cops, right? They have a high school diploma and a pulse, otherwise they'd never have been hired in the first place! They must be awesome people!

I think a big part of the solution to the problem would be to pay cops more, and require some semblance of qualifications to get the job. Currently someone who slept through school and beat up nerds on the playground and has the intelligence/education of your average McDonald's worker can get the job, so I guess I'm expecting too much from the police force.

 

[AlienCraft]

That Badge symbolizes all repression by "The Man".
They are reacting to social conditioning.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

Yeah, you're right, of course. I should just ignore the mountains of anecdotal evidence that the current system is broken and enabling for crooked cops and instead assume everything is just peachy keen. Because hey, they're cops, right? They have a high school diploma and a pulse, otherwise they'd never have been hired in the first place! They must be awesome people!

I think a big part of the solution to the problem would be to pay cops more, and require some semblance of qualifications to get the job. Currently someone who slept through school and beat up nerds on the playground and has the intelligence/education of your average McDonald's worker can get the job, so I guess I'm expecting too much from the police force.

CRAWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLINNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG INNNNNNNNNNNN MYYYYYYYYYY SKIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

Yeah, you're right, of course. I should just ignore the mountains of anecdotal evidence that the current system is broken and enabling for crooked cops and instead assume everything is just peachy keen. Because hey, they're cops, right? They have a high school diploma and a pulse, otherwise they'd never have been hired in the first place! They must be awesome people!

I think a big part of the solution to the problem would be to pay cops more, and require some semblance of qualifications to get the job. Currently someone who slept through school and beat up nerds on the playground and has the intelligence/education of your average McDonald's worker can get the job, so I guess I'm expecting too much from the police force.

The system isn't broken. There is no perfect system, every system created by or run by humans is going to have flaws.

I can't believe you are biased enough to compare a police officer to a McDonalds employee. That is ludicrous to suggest.

Police do need to be paid more. They are putting their lives on the line for everyone else, yet they get paid next to nothing.

-Kevin

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

Yeah, you're right, of course. I should just ignore the mountains of anecdotal evidence that the current system is broken and enabling for crooked cops and instead assume everything is just peachy keen. Because hey, they're cops, right? They have a high school diploma and a pulse, otherwise they'd never have been hired in the first place! They must be awesome people!

I think a big part of the solution to the problem would be to pay cops more, and require some semblance of qualifications to get the job. Currently someone who slept through school and beat up nerds on the playground and has the intelligence/education of your average McDonald's worker can get the job, so I guess I'm expecting too much from the police force.

The system isn't broken. There is no perfect system, every system created by or run by humans is going to have flaws.

I can't believe you are biased enough to compare a police officer to a McDonalds employee. That is ludicrous to suggest.

Police do need to be paid more. They are putting their lives on the line for everyone else, yet they get paid next to nothing.

-Kevin

Don't bother arguing. His mind was made up by the media and AT. I'd rather just antagonize him.

Oh wait, I'm just a dumb cop...let me rephrase:

Me like him no. Ogg go ticket write and minority smash!

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Awesome, you caught one decent cop, so that means they're all great people, right? The pro-cop people generalize just as much as the anti-cop people, so this thread is literally drowning in hypocrisy. Jesus.

I didn't have a problem with cops really until I came to ATOT. I've never gotten a ticket or been in any trouble with the law, and hadn't really given them a lot of thought, but then I started seeing story after story after story of cops breaking the law and covering it up, killing innocent people, threatening/harassing innocent people, etc.

I know the Cop Apologist Brigade will swoop in here to scream hysterically that cops do all kind of good that never get reported, but do you know WHY that never gets reported? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. If I came in here ever day seeing some story about a welder that had broken the law, or shot an innocent person, or whatever, I wouldn't like welders very much either. And no one would be crying that you never hear about all the great pieces of metal welders stick together. And that's a pretty wussy comparison, because welders aren't supposed to be the very ones upholding the laws they're breaking, and welders don't have huge powers to harass and punish innocent people.

I think people are naturally prone to power trips, and you have to give a police department a lot of power in any country that doesn't want to be in anarchy, so I'm not sure if the problem is avoidable. I mean, America's hardly alone in having issues with their police force. And it's not like I'm naturally prone to hating the cops, I even went on a ride-along when I was like 18 just to see what it is was like. But I mean, it's just gotten ridiculous seeing how often there's a problem with them. This isn't an isolated case of cops behaving badly here and there like you'll see in any other profession. I am CONSTANTLY seeing stories of cops doing horrible, horrible stuff, and what's worst is that the departments have no interest in fixing it. I've never seen a group of people pathologically cover each other's ass like cops do. Just look here in ATOT, it does not matter what happens, the Cop Apologists will find some way to defend the cops, usually by reverting to something completely ridiculous. "Well sure the cop invented charges and harrassed and threatened the guy for no reason, and clearly broke the law, but...well...the guy shouldn't have been recording it in the first place! I'd love to kick his ass!" Very intelligent, well thought out stuff.

I think it's sad that in any situation where I have the choice between helping out a cop or doing everything legally possible to make his job harder, I'd choose the second, but that's what I'd do. If they're not going to make any effort to fix their problems, I'm certainly not going to do it for them. I'll do what I'm legally required to and if I'm ever in trouble, I won't expect any heroic efforts from them and instead simply hope I've got one of the seeming minority who will do what THEY'RE legally required to.

At least you admit that you base your opinions on what the media tells you, it makes it a whole lot easier to ignore you knowing that you don't actually have a thought process behind your beliefs.


Evident: you really think it's ok to roll stop signs? Where is the line? If you shouldn't get a ticket for rolling it at 5 mph then you shouldn't get one for rolling it at 10 mph, then 15, etc. Why the hell should you even have to stop at a stop sign at all? It's so damn inconvenient!

Yeah, you're right, of course. I should just ignore the mountains of anecdotal evidence that the current system is broken and enabling for crooked cops and instead assume everything is just peachy keen. Because hey, they're cops, right? They have a high school diploma and a pulse, otherwise they'd never have been hired in the first place! They must be awesome people!

I think a big part of the solution to the problem would be to pay cops more, and require some semblance of qualifications to get the job. Currently someone who slept through school and beat up nerds on the playground and has the intelligence/education of your average McDonald's worker can get the job, so I guess I'm expecting too much from the police force.

The system isn't broken. There is no perfect system, every system created by or run by humans is going to have flaws.

I can't believe you are biased enough to compare a police officer to a McDonalds employee. That is ludicrous to suggest.

Police do need to be paid more. They are putting their lives on the line for everyone else, yet they get paid next to nothing.

-Kevin

It's unfortunate that you're incapable of reading a simple, clear post. I don't think cops should get paid more for putting their lives on the line. There's lots of FAR more dangerous jobs out there. I bet you're not going to whine and cry that fishermen, or convenience store employees deserve to get paid more, and guess what, Professor? Those people are far more likely to die than one of your precious cops.

I think cops should be paid more AFTER the position is changed so that some borderline retarded, barely high school graduate can't walk onto the job. Currently being a cop is about as skilled a job as being a telemarketer. That's what needs to change.

Don't bother arguing. His mind was made up by the media and AT. I'd rather just antagonize him.

My mind was made up by the constant, unending stream of stories I've been reading the past year or so about cops doing despicable things. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, you're a perfect example of the fact that they'll let anybody with a pulse and no major criminal record strap on a gun and call himself a "policeman". Good for you!

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

My mind was made up by... stories

Sounds about right. I mean, that's the way I make all my decisions too. I let other people tell me what to think, it's a whole lot easier than learning and forming opinions based on facts and real experience.

If being a cop is so easy, why is anyone out of work?

Oh and show me where convenience store employees are killed more than cops.

Once again you are COMPLETELY blowing everything out of proportion to try and make your case, just like in the other thread.

The sad thing is if (and it's a big if) you had anything useful to say it would be completely overshadowed by the horribly incorrect crap you make up. I GUARANTEE that more cops are killed on the job than convenience store employees.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Are you 3 or something, or do you really just not know what you are talking about?

I think cops should be paid more AFTER the position is changed so that some borderline retarded, barely high school graduate can't walk onto the job. Currently being a cop is about as skilled a job as being a telemarketer.

Currently, in my area, the academy is a 9 month course, 40 hours a week. If you can't do the 40 hours a week, then you can take the course at night and prolong the course length to 12 months.

My mind was made up by the constant, unending stream of stories I've been reading the past year or so about cops doing despicable things.

So you have accumulated this from the AT forums where stories such as "What should I wear on a date?" and "I hate my parents". Not only that, I have seen VERY few posts on AT concerning police officers.

Then you decide, based on a few media reports that all police officers are crooked. Congratulations, you have made one of the most incorrect and rash generalizations that exist.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, you're a perfect example of the fact that they'll let anybody with a pulse and no major criminal record strap on a gun and call himself a "policeman".

No major criminal record? If you mean they wont let convicted felons work, then yes that is true. Also depending on your criminal record (That includes misdemeanors) you can still be denied.

I bet you're not going to whine and cry that fishermen, or convenience store employees deserve to get paid more, and guess what, Professor? Those people are far more likely to die than one of your precious cops.

Unless we have a wide outbreak of attacks by sharks that are similar to jaws AND a recent string of convenience stores exploding for no reason that you aren't even in the same universe. I can't believe you even attempted to compare a convenience store clerk to a police officer! Even if one were more dangerous than being a police officer, are the convenience store clerks ALSO out trying to protect people? Didn't think so...

-Kevin

 

[jagec]

It's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Black people and Hispanic tend to be ruder and less respectful of cops due to past experiences (dating back to when the vast majority of cops truly were racists and targeted their parents and grandparents), which leads to them getting more tickets and cops becoming more racist due to consistent bad experiences. It's an Israel-and-Palestine situation...very hard for either side to break out of.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jagec
It's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Black people and Hispanic tend to be ruder and less respectful of cops due to past experiences (dating back to when the vast majority of cops truly were racists and targeted their parents and grandparents), which leads to them getting more tickets and cops becoming more racist due to consistent bad experiences. It's an Israel-and-Palestine situation...very hard for either side to break out of.

Well I make a point of being kind to everyone I meet-- I really don't see race.

Actually, my largest problem so far with respect to my job was caused by 3x white..."gangsta" type people like I described earlier. I wish the few police officers that are disrespectful would not be used to represent the entire spectrum of Law Enforcement Officers.

-Kevin

 

[TheSlamma]

Every encounter I ever have with cops they are condescending and it comes off like an interrogation.

Just a few month's ago one came to my door looking for an address that didn't even exist on my street. Then he starts drilling me if I'm the guy he was looking for. After I showed ID to him he just left without a word.

I was arrested in Blackhawk 13 years ago and let go 2 hours later cause they had the wrong guy and the description was 5 miles off. Some guy stole a can of diesel fuel from a valet lot. When they arrested me at my vehicle they should have seen it was a Montego, ever seen one of those in a diesel? They dropped me off at my vehicle and told me I was not allowed back in the city limits again.

Last summer my dad had his car parked in the back driveway of my house, the section 8 (POW) living across the alley and a house down let her kids run and do whatever they wanted as usual. They used his car as a junglegym and smashed out a window. The neighbor witnessed it and I called the cops. The cop the entire time had a tone that I was putting him out having him there. He knocked on the door one time to see if the mom was there. The 8 year old that answered the door said she was not there. That was all she wrote. I couldn't believe he didn't do anything about a bunch of kids from 2 to 8 years old home alone (Though she was just passed out in the basement). After that he told me none of the kids were old enough to press charges against and that I couldn't really do anything.

These are not the only 3 cases I have with poor runins with cops, but for the record that wrongful jailing was my only trip to jail I ever had and I have only had 1 traffic violation in my life.

Cops are not only completly useless to me but they are ego manics who have ZERO integrity. DPD just a few days ago locked a guy up for 10 days wrongfully. I hope his settlement is massive.

 

[alkemyst]

i am white and as a kid I would hate the mall cops. The police I respected....

As an adult I think that swapped.

To savoyboy...colleges get tons of applicants compared to your scenario. Many people pick cop/emt/fireman/mailman as a last resort to a decent job.

EVERYONE knows what college brings to the table. ANYONE without common sense will more than likely not excel in anything, however; the guy that has a degree > without all other things being equal.

IMHO college is too easy to get into today.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Every encounter I ever have with cops they are condescending and it comes off like an interrogation.

Just a few month's ago one came to my door looking for an address that didn't even exist on my street. Then he starts drilling me if I'm the guy he was looking for. After I showed ID to him he just left without a word.

I was arrested in Blackhawk 13 years ago and let go 2 hours later cause they had the wrong guy and the description was 5 miles off. Some guy stole a can of diesel fuel from a valet lot. When they arrested me at my vehicle they should have seen it was a Montego, ever seen one of those in a diesel? They dropped me off at my vehicle and told me I was not allowed back in the city limits again.

Last summer my dad had his car parked in the back driveway of my house, the section 8 (POW) living across the alley and a house down let her kids run and do whatever they wanted as usual. They used his car as a junglegym and smashed out a window. The neighbor witnessed it and I called the cops. The cop the entire time had a tone that I was putting him out having him there. He knocked on the door one time to see if the mom was there. The 8 year old that answered the door said she was not there. That was all she wrote. I couldn't believe he didn't do anything about a bunch of kids from 2 to 8 years old home alone (Though she was just passed out in the basement). After that he told me none of the kids were old enough to press charges against and that I couldn't really do anything.

These are not the only 3 cases I have with poor runins with cops, but for the record that wrongful jailing was my only trip to jail I ever had and I have only had 1 traffic violation in my life.

Cops are not only completly useless to me but they are ego manics who have ZERO integrity. DPD just a few days ago locked a guy up for 10 days wrongfully. I hope his settlement is massive.

Well like I said not all police are what you look for when you turn for help, they are human, but those like you described are the VAST VAST minority. Despite that, how can you say that all police are like that based on the few times you have had run-ins with a few local police officers.

As for the police incident with the womans kids... what do you expect him to do. They can't enter the woman's house unless they have reasonable suspicion that something is wrong. He can't arrest or charge an 8 year old (2 year old? Give me a break man, any kid from 2-4 years old can barely run-- no way they are smashing up cars). What did you want him to do?? (If you want Child Neglect, then you should call social services).

As for the other cases, I am not by any means saying you were in the wrong. Believe me I can completely understand that there are some police out there who are absolute jerks-- but I also have learned from many years on AT that people tend to leave out a few details here and there that swing the story more in their favor.

-Kevin

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt


My mind was made up by the constant, unending stream of stories I've been reading the past year or so about cops doing despicable things. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, you're a perfect example of the fact that they'll let anybody with a pulse and no major criminal record strap on a gun and call himself a "policeman". Good for you!

Uhg. College degree no matter for Ogg. Ogg Smash!

http://applyhrm.asp.radford.ed...%208_1_%20Brewster.pdf

 

[SpeedEng66]

being a p.o. is a thank less job

give them a break

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: SpeedEng66
being a p.o. is a thank less job

give them a break

No thanks, if you want to be a police officer, meaning a peace-keeping law enforcer for and by the people, then I expect you to be on your best, most perfect behavior every second of the work day. I have absolutely zero respect, tolerance, or sympathy for a cop that's having a "bad day" and takes it out on someone. If a cop says "kinda having a bad day" to me after I ask them "how's it going?", then sure, I'll feel bad for him/her because they're being respectful. But the moment they show any kind of disrespect or worse to me or anyone else who's done nothing of the sort to them, I have literally zero respect for them.

Fucking STAY IN LINE, isn't that what they're TRAINED to do?

It's sad that we have to teach ourselves as citizens how to dodge a cops game. I shouldn't have to dodge their psychological games to protect my rights, much less be forced to stab or beat one down because he's a crooked monster. I WISH I could feel safe around them, I really, REALLY do, but it's apparent that they're not actually being trained to protect and serve as much these days. Now it's about protecting interests. FUCK the interests.