Those heartbeat laws (abortion).... yeah this is what happens.

[MomentsofSanity]

This just makes me sick. This poor girl is being victimized twice.

https://buckeyestate.news/2019/05/03/police-ohio-man-raped-11-year-old-who-is-now-pregnant/

Ohio’s new “heartbeat bill” means that the 11-year-old girl will likely be forced to carry the child to birth, regardless of the fact that she was raped.

According to NPR, the “Human Rights Protection Act,” as the heartbeat bill was renamed, bans abortions as early as five or six weeks, before many women even know they’re pregnant. It adds criminal penalties for doctors who violate the law, and does not include exceptions for cases of rape or incest.

And the kicker? No laws to provide for the child's welfare once it's born. The law allows for exceptions for the health of the "mother" (fuck it I can't call this child that) but nothing for incest or rape.


Fuck you GOP.

 

[thraashman]

One group that will always have easy access to abortions in this country are the mistresses of Republican politicians.

 

[Vic]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: the purpose of these draconian anti-abortion laws has nothing to with protecting the unborn, and everything to do with subjugating women for male reproduction purposes.
Or, to paraphrase Sublime, without rape, some guys would never procreate.

 

[Jaskalas]

Georgia governor signs ‘heartbeat bill’

Sixteen states have passed or are scrambling to pass bans on abortion after a doctor can detect what they call “a fetal heartbeat in the womb,” usually at about six weeks, before many women know they are pregnant. That includes Georgia, where Republican Gov. Brian Kemp signed a “heartbeat bill” into law on Tuesday.​

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Separately, the Alabama Senate is poised to vote this week on legislation that could become the nation’s strictest abortion law, making it a felony to receive an abortion, with no exception for rape or incest.​

Sounds like States are, in mass, violating Roe V Wade with what are effectively absolute bans on all abortions. This is no doubt heading to the SCOTUS.

 

[K1052]

Sounds like States are, in mass, violating Roe V Wade with what are effectively absolute bans on all abortions. This is no doubt heading to the SCOTUS.

SCOTUS seems almost certain to decide that state bans on abortion are permissible and criminal penalties for violation (including crazy shit like capital punishment) allowable.

The effective creation of a religious (evangelical) sub-state inside the US where laws are drastically different from the rest of the country appears inevitable.

 

[umbrella39]

Where one justice will have to, like me, reconcile my position with my Catholic faith...

 

[vi edit]

This entire thing is bordering on Sharia law. If I was a female, I'd deeply consider moving out of the state on principal.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-CH8dhfrU6HMwc0z3wLvpaC310gBELT2PwMAJ5t1YIkqA

"
HB 481 would also have consequences for women who get abortions from doctors or miscarry. A woman who seeks out an illegal abortion from a health care provider would be a party to murder, subject to life in prison. And a woman who miscarries because of her own conduct—say, using drugs while pregnant—would be liable for second-degree murder, punishable by 10 to 30 years’ imprisonment. Prosecutors may interrogate women who miscarry to determine whether they can be held responsible; if they find evidence of culpability, they may charge, detain, and try these women for the death of their fetuses.


Even women who seek lawful abortions out of state may not escape punishment. If a Georgia resident plans to travel elsewhere to obtain an abortion, she may be charged with conspiracyto commit murder, punishable by 10 years’ imprisonment. An individual who helps a woman plan her trip to get an out-of-state abortion, or transports her to the clinic, may also be charged with conspiracy. These individuals, after all, are “conspiring” to end of the life of a “person” with “full legal recognition” under Georgia law. "

 

[K1052]

This entire thing is bordering on Sharia law.

All the GOP rants on that topic make me wonder if they were more out of sheer jealousy than any actual concern about liberty.

 

[woolfe9998]

This entire thing is bordering on Sharia law. If I was a female, I'd deeply consider moving out of the state on principal.

Well that's the irony, isn't it? Conservatives are wracked with paranoia over Muslims supposedly wanting "Sharia law" in the west. But the truth is, it's not that it's a religious legal code that bothers them. It's that it's a code of the wrong religion. They want their own Christian version right here in the U.S.

 

[vi edit]

All the GOP rants on that topic make me wonder if they were more out of sheer jealousy than any actual concern about liberty.

The Grand old Projectionists are gonna project.

 

[zinfamous]

Sounds like States are, in mass, violating Roe V Wade with what are effectively absolute bans on all abortions. This is no doubt heading to the SCOTUS.

that is the explicit, obvious intent of these boldly unconstitutional laws; and the timing, much like the GOP's NC election board, has proceeded with surgical precision. The whole purpose of packing the court with immoral drunkards and ignorant evangelicals is simply to get sympathy to the point where challenging that same court with historically unconstitutional laws will magically serve to make these laws the new law of the land, further eroding the freedoms that many have died to protect.

....one might call this "activist court packing," but I assume that term is now passe among the hoards of illiterate conservatives that sulk across the plains of this nation?

 

[thilanliyan]

That is damned terrible what that man did.

Can she go to another state to get it done?

 

[fleshconsumed]

That is damned terrible what that man did.

Can she go to another state to get it done?

Theoretically. But many women do not have financial means to do it out of state. She's an 11 year old girl. What is she going to do? Get a greyhound bus? Where is she going to stay? And her parents may not be a in a position to take a week off work to drive to a different state to get an abortion.

Vile. Absolutely vile.

 

[HomerJS]

Theoretically. But many women do not have financial means to do it out of state. She's an 11 year old girl. What is she going to do? Get a greyhound bus? Where is she going to stay? And her parents may not be a in a position to take a week off work to drive to a different state to get an abortion.

Vile. Absolutely vile.

That man and the Republicans.

Ironically if the girl were the daughter of a prominent Republican the abortion would have already happened.

 

[vi edit]

And yeah, as the father of an 11 year old girl who is barely able to take care of herself on any given day, the idea of forcing a girl of that age to be responsible for another human being is just horrifying.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And yeah, as the father of an 11 year old girl who is barely able to take care of herself on any given day, the idea of forcing a girl of that age to be responsible for another human being is just horrifying.

Just forcing them through the experience is horrifying. There's no positive in that. Adoption? Great the child just lives through the entire experience of child birth and knowing she has a child somewhere. Keep the baby? Great she has a reminder every day of the time she was raped as a child that her family must care for.

This whole thing is just shameful.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just forcing them through the experience is horrifying. There's no positive in that. Adoption? Great the child just lives through the entire experience of child birth and knowing she has a child somewhere. Keep the baby? Great she has a reminder every day of the time she was raped as a child that her family must care for.

This whole thing is just shameful.

Just forcing them through the experience is horrifying. There's no positive in that. Adoption? Great the child just lives through the entire experience of child birth and knowing she has a child somewhere. Keep the baby? Great she has a reminder every day of the time she was raped as a child that her family must care for.

This whole thing is just shameful.

Just forcing them through the experience is horrifying. There's no positive in that. Adoption? Great the child just lives through the entire experience of child birth and knowing she has a child somewhere. Keep the baby? Great she has a reminder every day of the time she was raped as a child that her family must care for.

This whole thing is just shameful.

Republicans don't care about individuals. Everything is political and must be used to push an agenda. They have become craven things. (can't use human beings).

 

[kage69]

It's not the red states fault. Those women aren't going to punish themselves.

Women are second class citizens in places like Georgia. Sad.

Ladies, at the very least you should be pulling some kind of Lysistrata response here. Or just start moving to a more enlightened state, one with a legislature that doesn't believe another voters religion gives them a say in what you do with your uterus.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Republicans don't care about individuals. Everything is political and must be used to push an agenda. They have become craven things. (can't use human beings).

My post was so nice you quoted it thrice?

 

[interchange]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: the purpose of these draconian anti-abortion laws has nothing to with protecting the unborn, and everything to do with subjugating women for male reproduction purposes.
Or, to paraphrase Sublime, without rape, some guys would never procreate.

If I understand you correctly you're saying that a pro-life stance is based on trying to ensure that if someone rapes someone else and fathers a child, it is allowed to survive?

 

[hal2kilo]

My post was so nice you quoted it thrice?

Between the idiot browser (explorer 11 based) with a program that keeps the session in virtual memory that I'm forced to use at work, and well, this forum software,. nothing surprises. me.

 

[theeedude]

Republican state politicians are just desperately trying to make themselves shitholes that are less attractive for liberals to move to, for their own political reasons. Keep calm, vote, and gentrify.

 

[Jaskalas]

Keep calm, vote, and gentrify.

Uhh... price people out of homes?
Why would we want that?
I take it you mean something else?

 

[DarthKyrie]

Classic GOP, a government so small it can fit in your vagina. These assholes won't be happy until women are taken by the government once they become pregnant so they can force her to have that child, while at the same time screaming at her that she better not expect any help once she has that child. We gotta punish those that have sex for pleasure, but only the girls because boys will be boys and they need sex.

 

[Sunburn74]

These bills are shameless. Absolutely shameless.