Those chickens do eventually come home to roost. Now it's Pompeo's turn

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In a binary world of good and evil where liberals are evil, how could you not self justify any action to stop them from doing evil. Who does not do what is right? How could you live with yourself? The whole point of having good character is to do what is right and how can not stopping evil however you can not be right? How could Pompeo be anything less than a hero?

My hope is that my words are a little more practical for someone less practiced or inclined in the ways of self-observation to start to generate any kind of question about their own point of view. But I will say my actual experience of the efficacy of this here has been underwhelming, so it makes me wonder if there's some question I need to seriously ask myself that I'm specifically trying to avoid. What do you see?
 

Moonbeam

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My hope is that my words are a little more practical for someone less practiced or inclined in the ways of self-observation to start to generate any kind of question about their own point of view. But I will say my actual experience of the efficacy of this here has been underwhelming, so it makes me wonder if there's some question I need to seriously ask myself that I'm specifically trying to avoid. What do you see?
After pondering this for a few this thought came to mind, a book title, I believe, not going to check, that goes something like this: Everything we need to know (in the moral sense) we learned in Kindergarten.

I think everybody has been informed and should be aware that our personal beliefs are not the only ones out there and that a society can only function civilly when the opinion of others are listened to, considered, and respected and that the demonetization of others is evil itself. Personally, I believe this to be self evident in the sense that it is just and fair and the will toward justice and fairness is genetic in nature.

The first thought that I had, reading your question as to what answer I see, is that I have no idea other than that it is the question that haunts me. To be or not to be? I find myself every bit as convinced that Pompeo is wrong as he seems to believe he is right and justified and I struggle with the fact that my conviction that is so, that he is not only wrong but evil, dangerous to civilized society itself impels me to want to conclude that it is I who have the right to abandon ordinary justice and fairness and act against him before he can act against me. But then how does that make me different than he. This simply closes the door to action.

I can see no way out on this level. But I once had a curious experience that altered how I see the world and it was that there is no meaning and nothing matters. All of that conviction that I am right, that there is a good and I know what it is slipped out of my 'big strong hands' See the story of the Rock Biter in the Neverending Story. I fell into blackness and died to realize there finally, that everything I had longed for, goodness, light, hope, God, you name it had always been there. In the now there is no comparison and only the joy of being. The only thing in this world you can do is to save yourself and when that happens so does love. I wish I could give Pompeo that which he has always had but knows not that he has. And that's all.

So, while I can see no way to help Mr. Pompeo personally, I think I do know why he is such a challenge, why he rejects what he was taught in Kindergarten. Those sacred cows I believed were the good defined me and gave my life the meaning that I lost. I used to be a good person. I used to know what was right. I was a believer and that was also why I was good. All those sacred beliefs that were the absolute good were what made me a valuable human being. They were there to keep me from the emptiness I feared was death.

And that, I believe, is what makes people very hard to change. There is a feeling deep within they are terrified to feel. Later I met someone who told me what it is and by God, if he wasn't right. Even with what I already knew I had no idea and it took years even to get just a taste.

One of the things that teacher told me also was to dig the tunnel from both ends. As the Germans in the WW1 trenches said, "The situation is hopeless but not serious." It is perfectly natural, in my opinion to hope one can say something to stimulate others to look at themselves and it is perfectly natural too to wish for it very very much, but it makes no sense at all to emotionally have a need to be effective. It is that need, I believe that causes fanaticism.

People often mock those who strive to be moral saying virtue is its only reward, but I do not think I have to tell you it's the best reward there is. And that I believe, is an alternative knowing to fanatical certainty.
 

rommelrommel

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LOL. No.

pipe hitter (noun) a term used in the US military community to describe special operations personnel in the US military, such as the Delta Force, SEALS, the 75th Ranger Regiment, and Special Forces. Pipe hitters are units of some of the most highly respected, well-trained, and qualified operators.

Pipe hitter, soul snatcher, body stacker. Variations on a theme. The guys that are actually out there killing people on a regular basis. But you probably know that just as well as Pompeo does.
 

shortylickens

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Pompeo's language is exactly the same language that nearly lead to the overthrow of the US government on January 6th 2021.
Yeah Republicans can do everything except fix Americas problems. They're real good at getting people spun up without taking any responsibility themselves.
Most of their public statements are very carefully worded so when someone challenges them after the fact they can say they were misinterpreted and they didnt really mean it anyway.
Perfect politicians if you think about it.
 

balloonshark

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Yeah Republicans can do everything except fix Americas problems. They're real good at getting people spun up without taking any responsibility themselves.
Most of their public statements are very carefully worded so when someone challenges them after the fact they can say they were misinterpreted and they didnt really mean it anyway.
Perfect politicians if you think about it.
Yep. I knew someone who did the same thing but this person learned it from going to jail a few times. He knew exactly what to say and how to say it so the police couldn't do anything. The threats were very real though and eventually it boiled over and something bad happened. Sound familiar?
 

hal2kilo

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Poor Pompeo, Trump won't get out of his way. Did not know he thought he was the Trump alternative.

Mike Pompeo's whitewashing of Trump's record backfires | Salon.com

Even some Fox News journalists have been nonplussed by Pompeo's whitewashing of the past. Sunday host Chris Wallace pointed out that Trump never condemned the poisoning of Russian opposition leader Alexy Navalny and Pompeo laughably replied "with respect to human rights, I — we take a backseat to no one." That has to be the most fatuous comment he's ever made and that's saying something. There are dozens of examples of Trump's grotesque dismissal of human rights all over the world and here in the U.S. by the Trump administration. He pardoned war criminals and made them into heroes, he celebrated the use of torture and pledged to do it again "only worse" if needed. But perhaps the most egregious was Trump's admission to Bob Woodward that he helped to cover up the dismemberment of journalist Jamal Khashoggi:
 

Jhhnn

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I want to say in 43 years on this planet, I have *NEVER* heard the term "Pipehitter" in reference to anything military. Ever.

I'm much older & never encountered it in any context. It's a new word to me. Flooding the zone.
 
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I'm much older & never encountered it in any context. It's a new word to me. Flooding the zone.
The only place I've ever heard it used was Pulp Fiction.
I always assumed he either meant it as a personal euphemism/slang for some kind of badass, or literally some cracked (as in, crack pipe) out weirdoes.
 

ElFenix

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i wonder if special forces types adopted it from pulp fiction
 

Jhhnn

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The only place I've ever heard it used was Pulp Fiction.
I always assumed he either meant it as a personal euphemism/slang for some kind of badass, or literally some cracked (as in, crack pipe) out weirdoes.

That's pretty much how Pompeo used the term, not in reference to the military but rather how to deal with the Libtards. Just thug out.
 

hal2kilo

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I'm much older & never encountered it in any context. It's a new word to me. Flooding the zone.
Never, that is, if it weren't for.... Pulp Fiction! (lightbulb went off, or maybe it was the Chem Dawg).

Let me tell you what now. I'm gonna call a couple of hard, pipe-hitting ****s to go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy?! I ain't through with you! By a damn sight. I'm gonna get medieval on yo' ass! Butch: I meant "what now" between me and you. Marsellus: Oh, that "what now."
 
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