Thomas Friedman actually wrote a worthwhile article for once - on why the GOP lost

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I have no doubt Obama is sincere in reaching across the aisle. I also have no doubt that the GOP, will yet again, act like petulant children and put party above country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/o...change-part-two.html?hp&pagewanted=print&_r=0

Hope and Change: Part 2
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
In October 2010, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, famously told The National Journal, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” And that’s how he and his party acted.

Well, Mitch, how’s that workin’ out for ya?

No one can know for sure what complex emotional chemistry tipped this election Obama’s way, but here’s my guess: In the end, it came down to a majority of Americans believing that whatever his faults, Obama was trying his hardest to fix what ails the country and that he had to do it with a Republican Party that, in its gut, did not want to meet him halfway but wanted him to fail — so that it could swoop in and pick up the pieces. To this day, I find McConnell’s declaration appalling. Consider all the problems we have faced in this country over the last four years — from debt to adapting to globalization to unemployment to the challenges of climate change to terrorism — and then roll over that statement: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

That, in my view, is what made the difference. The G.O.P. lost an election that, given the state of the economy, it should have won because of an excess of McConnell-like cynicism, a shortage of new ideas and an abundance of really bad ideas — about immigration, about climate, about how jobs are created and about abortion and other social issues.

It seems that many Americans went to the polls without much enthusiasm for either candidate, but, nevertheless, with a clear idea of whom they preferred. The majority seemed to be saying to Obama: “You didn’t get it all right the first time, but we’re going to give you a second chance.” In a way, they voted for “hope and change” again. I don’t think it was so much a ratification of health care or “Race to the Top” or any other Obama initiative. It was more a vote on his character: “We think you’re trying. Now try even harder. Learn from your mistakes. Reach out to the other side, even if they slap away your hand, and focus like a laser on the economy, so those of us who voted for you today without much enthusiasm can feel good about this vote.”

And that is why Obama’s victory is so devastating for the G.O.P. A country with nearly 8 percent unemployment preferred to give the president a second chance rather than Mitt Romney a first one. The Republican Party today needs to have a real heart-to-heart with itself.

The G.O.P. has lost two presidential elections in a row because it forced its candidate to run so far to the loony right to get through the primaries, dominated by its ultraconservative base, that he could not get close enough back to the center to carry the national election. It is not enough for Republicans to tell their Democratic colleagues in private — as some do — “I wish I could help you, but our base is crazy.” They need to have their own reformation. The center-right has got to have it out with the far-right, or it is going to be a minority party for a long time.

Many in the next generation of America know climate change is real, and they want to see something done to mitigate it. Many in the next generation of America will be of Hispanic origin and insist on humane immigration reform that gives a practical legal pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. The next generation is going to need immigration of high-I.Q. risk-takers from India, China and Latin America if the U.S. is going to remain at the cutting edge of the Information Technology revolution and be able to afford the government we want. Many in the next generation of America see gays and lesbians in their families, workplaces and Army barracks, and they don’t want to deny them the marriage rights held by others. The G.O.P. today is at war with too many in the next generation of America on all of these issues.

All that said, my prediction is that the biggest domestic issue in the next four years will be how we respond to changes in technology, globalization and markets that have, in a very short space of time, made the decent-wage, middle-skilled job — the backbone of the middle class — increasingly obsolete. The only decent-wage jobs will be high-skilled ones.

The answer to that challenge will require a new level of political imagination — a combination of educational reforms and unprecedented collaboration between business, schools, universities and government to change how workers are trained and empowered to keep learning. It will require tax reforms and immigration reforms. America today desperately needs a center-right G.O.P. that is offering merit-based, market-based approaches to all these issues — and a willingness to meet the other side halfway. The country is starved for practical, bipartisan cooperation, and it will reward politicians who deliver it and punish those who don’t.

The votes have been counted. President Obama now needs to get to work to justify the second chance the country has given him, and the Republicans need to get to work understanding why that happened.
 

Jadow

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He lost me with:

"Many in the next generation of America know climate change is real, and they want to see something done to mitigate it."

of course climate change is real, I am skeptical of man made global warming, and don't think we need to spend resources fighting it until there is hard scientific evidence, which there is not.

So basically if you're skeptical of man made global warming, you're radical far right. Sorry no.
 

sixone

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So basically if you're skeptical of man made global warming, you're radical far right. Sorry no.

:rolleyes:
Idiots like you are why it's going to take a while for the republican party to moderate it's policies.
 

Jadow

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:rolleyes:
Idiots like you are why it's going to take a while for the republican party to moderate it's policies.

fuck it, I'd rather lose and be correct and true to myself than sell out and be a bitch.
 

sigurros81

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fuck it, I'd rather lose and be correct and true to myself than sell out and be a bitch.

Sorry you feel that way. Realizing your own fallacies and recognizing that someone else may be right is not selling out, it's called intelligence.

But yes, Hitler did not sell out, he put a bullet in his own head.
 

the DRIZZLE

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There is a difference between being a partisan and being an ideologue. I think the Republicans could rightly be criticized for being too partisan but not too ideological. IMO Obama's positions are generally further from the historical American center than those of the Republicans.
 

badb0y

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He lost me with:

"Many in the next generation of America know climate change is real, and they want to see something done to mitigate it."

of course climate change is real, I am skeptical of man made global warming, and don't think we need to spend resources fighting it until there is hard scientific evidence, which there is not.

So basically if you're skeptical of man made global warming, you're radical far right. Sorry no.
Wtf does this mean, whether it's man made or not we have to deal with the fucking problem.
 

Lemon law

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If that's all it took, then the Obama camp wasted millions of dollars telling women that they were going back to the 50's. So they didn't buy Friedman's theory, either.
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As sixone perfectly explains why American females across all political voted overwhelming for President Obama. 404 waste link not found.

As my other point is, I make is that I never saw the Obama campaign folks spending alot of money targeting women voters, when the GOP spend so much money on ads that alienating women voters.

As I can also point out I am a white male that was supposed to be the GOP Romney target demographic, as I can scarcely find the words to express my disgust at the GOP and Romney.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Lets face it, the Republicans and their supporters ran against a figment of their imagination.

Is it any surprise they lost?
 

Lemon law

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If only you had the science to back that up eh?

MORE THAN A FEELING....
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As MooseNSquirrel demands absolute proof the Global warming is very real while the global warming folks have absolutely zero proof scientific that their what me worry strategy is correct and not suicidal.

When the evidence is all around us. As Hurricane Sandy just shattered existing storm surge records dating back to 1721. As many other measures show climate world record dating back to at least 2 to 3 million years ago likewise shattered.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Pretty sure the election was not decided on people's view on "global warming" but on issues like gay rights, abortion, foreign interventionism, along with issues stemming from the economy (which is what kept Romney in the race but he never capitalized on in any fundamental way).
 

Paratus

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He lost me with:

"Many in the next generation of America know climate change is real, and they want to see something done to mitigate it."

of course climate change is real, I am skeptical of man made global warming, and don't think we need to spend resources fighting it until there is hard scientific evidence, which there is not.

So basically if you're skeptical of man made global warming, you're radical far right. Sorry no.

Dude which part don't you believe. Be specific:

1. We have satellites that can measure the output of the sun

2. We have satellites that can measure the albedo of the Earth

3. These two measurements show a 1 W/m^2 imbalance between input to the earth and the output.

4. We can show in the laboratory that CO2 traps heat.

5. From statements from petrochemical companies about how much they've sold in oil, gas, and coal we know how much has been burned. So we know how much has been released into the atmosphere.

6. We can confirm that number by directly measuring the CO2 in the atmosphere.

7. The last time the climate warmed this much naturally there were no human civilizations to suffer from it.

So which part don't you believe?
 

Fayd

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Wtf does this mean, whether it's man made or not we have to deal with the fucking problem.

if it's man made, there's something we can do about it to reverse trends and keep the world at a stable medium.

if it's not man made ,then the factors in play are far beyond our control, and attempting to control it will have no effect.

I tend to believe a bit of both. That climate change is real, but man made impact on climate change is relatively minor. HOWEVER, the same people who harp on the evils of CO2 emissions are the ones who continue to kill the chance for a thriving nuclear industry, which offers the cheapest, least environmental impact power available. those initiatives are funded by a consortium of elements of "green" power production. solar cell manufacturers, wind turbine manufacturers, etc. the same companies that donate money to obama's election funds, then get kickbacks in the form of guaranteed loans etc. So i'm highly skeptical of any "science" put forth by this crowd, when knowing economics and the basics of incentives, they have cause to lie their asses off.

nuclear power offers the best option, and in the long run it's the cheapest. but overregulation has killed it. so fuck it, let's go coal!
 

desy

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Its man made
I could be minor thats what most of the arguing is about these days
The globe won't stop consuming so coming up with plan B to mitigate is about all thats left