This winter is going to break me...

[Kabob]

I'm not going to have enough $ or time to play everything that's coming out Q4 '09/Q1 '10, going to have to make some tough decisions I guess...

Assassins Creed 2 (early '10?)
Bioshock 2
Tekken 6
Forza Motorsport 3
Mass Effect 2 (maybe...)
Max Payne 3
Need for Speed: Shift
Diablo 3 (not gonna happen)...
+unannounced games

I haven't played a Tekken game since Tekken Tag, but Tekken 3 is one of my favorite games of all time (tired Tekken 4 in the arcade, couldn't get into it). Diablo 2 IS my favorite game of all time, Forza 2 is on my top 10 list , Bioshock was fantastic, Max Payne 1&2 were great...too many choices!

Methinks I'll end up getting Tekken 6 and Forza 3 and trying to withold myself from buying everything else.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: kabob983
I'm not going to have enough $ or time to play everything that's coming out Q4 '09/Q1 '10, going to have to make some tough decisions I guess...

Assassins Creed 2 (early '10?)
Bioshock 2
Tekken 6
Forza Motorsport 3
Mass Effect 2 (maybe...)
Max Payne 3
Need for Speed: Shift
Diablo 3 (not gonna happen)...
+unannounced games

I haven't played a Tekken game since Tekken Tag, but Tekken 3 is one of my favorite games of all time (tired Tekken 4 in the arcade, couldn't get into it). Diablo 2 IS my favorite game of all time, Forza 2 is on my top 10 list , Bioshock was fantastic, Max Payne 1&2 were great...too many choices!

Methinks I'll end up getting Tekken 6 and Forza 3 and trying to withold myself from buying everything else.

What is the point of this post? Are you asking us which games to drop out of your plans?

 

[Kabob]

No, more of a statement about the number of quality titles being released.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: kabob983
No, more of a statement about the number of quality titles being released.

Gotcha.

Then, I would say that of that list, most will be overhyped and not worth it except for one or two. Tekken 6 will most assuredly be solid, if unspectacular.

And no way Blizzard releases Diablo 3 this year. We might see it by 2011 if we're lucky. Right after Starcraft 2's first episode is released during the holiday season of 2010.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Then, I would say that of that list, most will be overhyped ant not worth it except for one or two. Tekken 6 will most assuredly be solid, if unspectacular.

Like I mentioned, I've not played Tekken in so long but I loved the games back in the day. Even if only "iffy" by reviewers I'll probably still pick it up.

Mass Effect 2 and AC 2 are the "iffys" on my list. I really enjoyed both first games (AC2 moreso) but can probably live without the sequels. I'm sure that Bioshock 2 will be "overhyped" but it'll still end up being fantastic, and you can't really mess up Forza 3. NFS could be a flop or a winner, we'll have to see the finished product.

 

[JoPh]

zip out all of those for me. well d3 but that wont happen.

 

[sswingle]

I won't call NFS Shift a quality title until I see it...

 

[bdubyah]

bad company 2 as well.

 

[Kabob]

Completely forgot about CoD: MW2. That's another "must have" for me.

 

[imported_hopeless]

I rent more than I buy but Forza 3 is on my buy list.

I rented Bioshock and Assassins Creed. I really liked both games and look forward to at least renting thier sequals.

I never have played Mass Effect, but I'll be buying it now that it's down to $20. If I like the first I'll probably wait for the 2nd on to drop in price.

I would put D3 on my buy list but it will depend on weather or not my old pc can even run it. If it can't I'll just have to wait on it for now.

 

[thraashman]

Of those I'll end up getting Bioshock and Mass Effect. And Bioshock I might only get once it price drops, Mass Effect I'll be getting on release day.

 

[warcrow]

Tekken 6? Really? I understand that there is some appeal out there to some of the hardcore fighting fans, but the fighting genre (for me) is already so dull & stale that even the great SFIV only piqued my interest for a few weeks. At this point I dont even know if I'll return to playing it. I think overall SFIV if a fairly entertaing game and I enjoyed the return to the more traditional 2D fighting, but for me it filled more of a nostalgic gap than reinvigorated my interest in the genre.

For me, Tekken 6 just sounds so unappealing at this point.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: warcrow
Tekken 6? Really? I understand that there is some appeal out there to some of the hardcore fighting fans, but the fighting genre (for me) is already so dull & stale that even the great SFIV only piqued my interest for a few weeks. At this point I dont even know if I'll return to playing it. I think overall SFIV if a fairly entertaing game and I enjoyed the return to the more traditional 2D fighting, but for me it filled more of a nostalgic gap than reinvigorated my interest in the genre.

For me, Tekken 6 just sounds so unappealing at this point.

I was once a hardcore fan of Tekken 3 though, I'm hoping it'll transfer over to 6 (I know the series has changed alot since then though). Never really liked the SF games though.

 

[imported_hopeless]

Originally posted by: warcrow
Tekken 6? Really? I understand that there is some appeal out there to some of the hardcore fighting fans, but the fighting genre (for me) is already so dull & stale that even the great SFIV only piqued my interest for a few weeks. At this point I dont even know if I'll return to playing it. I think overall SFIV if a fairly entertaing game and I enjoyed the return to the more traditional 2D fighting, but for me it filled more of a nostalgic gap than reinvigorated my interest in the genre.

For me, Tekken 6 just sounds so unappealing at this point.

I lost interest in fighting games years ago. I haven't played one since the PS1 came out.

 

[Rassilon]

So, where are the good games?
I mean, diablo 3 looks great, but who knows when it will actually release.
I'll probably buy tekken 6, but only after it gets cheap. Virtua fighter is WAY better (hoping for a console port of VF5R).

but the rest of those are crap..

Originally posted by: warcrow
Tekken 6? Really? I understand that there is some appeal out there to some of the hardcore fighting fans, but the fighting genre (for me) is already so dull & stale that even the great SFIV only piqued my interest for a few weeks. At this point I dont even know if I'll return to playing it. I think overall SFIV if a fairly entertaing game and I enjoyed the return to the more traditional 2D fighting, but for me it filled more of a nostalgic gap than reinvigorated my interest in the genre.

For me, Tekken 6 just sounds so unappealing at this point.

Thats funny, i'd say the same (only stronger) about FPSs. now THAT is a dull, stale genre. and not only is it incredibly stagnant, but devs are STILL pumping 'em out non-stop.

Fighting games have changed/evolved more over the years than FPSs have, and with the relatively few new fighting games being released, i'd say they are still pretty fresh.

 

[gorcorps]

Why would you even bother putting Diablo 3 on there? That was announced a ways after starcraft 2, and that just MIGHT get released this year.

Many of those games are totally unappealing to me, like all of the racing games and Tekken. And I'll only get Assassin's Creed 2 if reviews say the repetitiveness has been fixed.

 

[Queasy]

I Must Break You

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I Must Break You

And I do this after being broken...

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: Rassilon
Thats funny, i'd say the same (only stronger) about FPSs. now THAT is a dull, stale genre. and not only is it incredibly stagnant, but devs are STILL pumping 'em out non-stop.

Fighting games have changed/evolved more over the years than FPSs have, and with the relatively few new fighting games being released, i'd say they are still pretty fresh.

I won't disagree with your feelings towards FPS since it's completely subjective, but I do take issue with your comparisons of the two genres. How have fighting games evolved more that FPS? You didnt say anything as to how it's evolved more? All I would say, in regards to your feelings, is that the FPS genre has undenyably more variations in its story and gameplay.

Metroid Prime Corruption (Wii) used the remote + nunchuck to introduce a surprisingly very satisfying input method that sort of sits inbetween the traidtional KB+mouse combination on the PC and gameplay on a console. When was the last time a fighting game used new input devices to advance (and make enjoyable!) gameplay?

Half-Life 2 and the subsequent episodes have raised the bar so high in terms of narrative expression and gameplay that--even though HL2 proper was released almost 4.5 years ago--it remains as on the forefront of the FPs genre. Forget the last few years--has there even been a fighting game that has actually moved people like the narrative in the HL series? What about the VO (voice over) work? It's continued to increase in quality in the FPS genre while the fighting genre has been nothing (at least from what I've seen) but cheesy "you-killed-my-father-and-i've-trained-since-I-was-7-eyars-old-to-kill-you" cheese dump.

Halo 3 though I'm not a fan of the series, it's undenyable that the game ignited multiplayer FPSs on a console. Intrducing the statistics tracking and forge moved the genre forward and inspired big releases such as Call of Duty 4 and Killzone 2.

Call of Duty 4 is huge, and I think one of the reasons people keep going back to the MP is because of the skill system (and statistics of course). When was the last time you cared about the narrative in a fighting game?

What about the gritty storytelling of objectivism and it's crazy side effects in Bioshock? What about the incredible open world of Far Cry 2 whos protagonist has molaria?

I feel like I could go on and one here. Are you sure?

 

[TecHNooB]

X Assassins Creed 2 (early '10?)
O Bioshock 2
X Tekken 6
X Forza Motorsport 3
O Mass Effect 2 (maybe...)
X Max Payne 3
X Need for Speed: Shift
O Diablo 3 (not gonna happen)...
O STARCRAFT 2

O = Games I would get.
X = Games I would not get.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
X Assassins Creed 2 (early '10?)
O Bioshock 2
X Tekken 6
X Forza Motorsport 3
O Mass Effect 2 (maybe...)
X Max Payne 3
X Need for Speed: Shift
O Diablo 3 (not gonna happen)...
O STARCRAFT 2

O = Games I would get.
X = Games I would not get.

Starcraft 2 isn't on the list because...well...it's going the way of Starcraft Ghost (ok, maybe not). Mostly because while I sorta enjoyed Starcraft I wasn't a huge fan of the series. Warcraft I enjoyed alot more.

Originally posted by: warcrow
Halo 3 though I'm not a fan of the series, it's undenyable that the game ignited multiplayer FPSs on a console. Intrducing the statistics tracking and forge moved the genre forward and inspired big releases such as Call of Duty 4 and Killzone 2.

I think the biggest thing Halo did for the series is the introduction of "you can only hold 2 weapons," one button grenade throws, and health regeneration. Seriously, before Halo pretty much every shooter game you could hold 15 guns, and to throw a grenade you had to switch to said grenade, throw, and switch back.

And how many shooter games use the health regeneration system in one form or another? Just off the top of my head Halo, CoD, GRAW, R6V, and I'm sure I could think of more.

 

[warcrow]

Personally the limited local weapon cache isnt a big deal to me to be honest. It's a gameplay mechanic is designed around. If there were more weapons available like in HL2 then the designers would just create a game around that and it seems to work really well there. I sort of feel like limiting a players weapon options and forcing them to decide which 2 or 4 weapon to carry is more frustrating than anything else in these types of games. It makes sense for a game like Rainbow 6, but not in most FPSs. That just my opinion though.

However, what does bear worth mentioning is the implimentation that all weapsons have a melee attack. I dont know if Halo made this popular but it works really well. Switching over to a melee weapon (think of doom's chainsaw or even HL2's crowbar) should be something left in the past. It will be intersting to see if Valve ever decided to impliment this mechanic some time (or if ever).

 

[Rassilon]

Originally posted by: warcrow
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I feel like I could go on and one here. Are you sure?

Im sure.
Metroid Prime was great because it played LESS like an FPS (it focused more on exploration than on just killing everything). MP3 on the wii was great, and and great controls.

The rest of those games are, IMO, crap. particularly halo 3. biggest waste of time i have ever played, and easily the most over-hyped game in history.

The gameplay of all of those games have changed basically ZERO since QUAKE 1. Adding a story to tired gameplay does not cover for the stale gameplay.

I dont intrinsically hate FPS, im just sick to death of them as they are WAY over done.

Fighting games have changed more (2d ->3d was a huge difference in fighters, not so much in FPSs), and have more differences between franchises (virtua fighter plays VERY differently from tekken; you cant say the same about FPSs, as they all play basically the same), and have more variation of gameplay within a single game than there is across several FPSs (a wide selection of characters that have different play styles).

If there were the same number of fighting games released in the last few years as there have been FPS, maybe i would be tired of them too.

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: Rassilon

Originally posted by: warcrow
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I feel like I could go on and one here. Are you sure?

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The gameplay of all of those games have changed basically ZERO since QUAKE 1. Adding a story to tired gameplay does not cover for the stale gameplay.

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Fighting games have changed more...

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If there were the same number of fighting games released in the last few years as there have been FPS, maybe i would be tired of them too.

It seems like you are watering down the FPS genre and dismissing it as unchanged since you don't particularly enjoy that style of gaming, which could just as easily be done for any genre (especially fighting).

I could argue that fighting games have not changed significantly since the introduction of Street Fighter II. Sure some are in 3D, and others allow matches beyond two players, but all maintain the basic idea of two or more players fighting to the KO/death. That's it. No deep story or progression to be had, no varied environments, no puzzles to be solved, just new combos to learn and different controls to memorize and master.

But I'm sure you will agree that my assessment is not accurate and a disservice to the genre. It seems like you are taking a similar approach to the FPS genre. You clearly have a distaste for that style of gameplay, and through that distaste you are allowing yourself to remain ignorant to the significant improvements. Since you still don't like these games you conclude that they must not have changed, but I suspect that the only thing that hasn't changed is that you simply don't like that basic style of gameplay.

I think your last sentence is a good point, as there are so many damn FPS games released year after year (and many of them mediocre and derivative), that it's hard to discern the improvements.

 

[ViviTheMage]

don't hold your breath for D3...haha