umm.. ludicrous.
who in their right mind would pay someone who often poorly presents information and lacks any (at least online) social skill whatsoever?
who in their right mind would pay someone who often poorly presents information and lacks any (at least online) social skill whatsoever?
apoppin
Lifer
the apology is totally unnecessary ... but thank-you
--i really never noticed the name calling and don't even remember it
actually i used to be quite "perplexed" about Gstanfor ... but then i realized he is very deep-down a true AMD fan ..
i.e. by being SO aggressively and negatively "over the top" ... he has recently sent more customers *to* AMD - and "away from" nvidia than anyone actively "supporting" them possibly could ...
think ... i mean ... really, think ... about it
Try reading this post of Geo's. I think you'll find it addresses both performance and a the need for a company to be careful with their pricing lest they cause a shareholder backlash.
If anyone wants to see a fanboy in action, look no further than apoppin and his stance on Dx10 based on rumors read about r600. I think you'll find that my claims at least have some substance behind them by comparison.
apoppin
Lifer
there isn't *one*
not a single person on ATF video that takes you seriously
if i am wrong, let them speak up
see if you can find *one mate* that supports your deliberately twisted view
--you ARE 'working' for AMD ... everything you do has the effect of sending them more customers
not a single person on ATF video that takes you seriously
if i am wrong, let them speak up
see if you can find *one mate* that supports your deliberately twisted view
--you ARE 'working' for AMD ... everything you do has the effect of sending them more customers
Yes, we can clearly see it in AMD's bottom line, can't we?...
Actually, I'd love to send customers AMD's way -- if only they'd ditch ATi and refocus on their core competency again.
apoppin
Lifer
well, whatever Gstanfor is doing .. it is *working*
.... his endless angry and illogical one-sided rants send customers to AMD
whatever 'works'
:roll:
i really believe AMD thanks you
... and nvidia *hates* you
---you also know ATi is GONE
the new AMD ... a graphics-based CPU company
.... his endless angry and illogical one-sided rants send customers to AMD
whatever 'works'
:roll:
i really believe AMD thanks you
... and nvidia *hates* you
---you also know ATi is GONE
the new AMD ... a graphics-based CPU company
Keysplayr
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Because that's how they would do that...... Continually raising the bar when they don't have to, costing them more money for R&D. You would be very foolish to think that Nvidia would work as hard as they possibly could without any competition out there.
Minimal competition = minimal incentive to better themselves = minimal innovation = higher prices for same old, slightly revamped tech.
So, I'm curious. Why on earth would you think otherwise? I thought you were a business owner? Less work for more money is better then more work for less money.
More competition forces pricing down. C'mon man. I know you're blind when it comes to your fav, but at least make your comments credible. :roll:
= minimal sales growth = minimal stock growth.
If you don't offer your customers an incentive to upgrade they simply won't. Competition works to lower prices, this part is very true. You won't see many people 'upgrading' from a 7600 to a 8600, just like few 'upgraded' from a 4200ti to a FX5200 simply because there's very little to gain by doing that. NV has plenty of incentive to innovate, if only to keep the bar high enough that no new competitor (Intel, anyone?) appears on the scene.
Microsoft can get away with making new versions incompatible with old ones and 'forcing' people to upgrade by offering one must-have feature per release. That's a lot harder to pull off with hardware which must be widely compatible with old, new and open source software.
do you really think nvidia is going to shut down their R&D just because they have a jump on ati at the moment?
absolutely idiotic. tech moves too fast. both ati and nvidia are constantly pushing tech forward. it's the only way they prosper.
[/quote]So, I'm curious. Why on earth would you think otherwise? I thought you were a business owner? Less work for more money is better then more work for less money. [/quote]
again, that doesn't apply in something as volatile as 3d graphics. stuff they are working on now started years ago, and they certainly aren't going to stop just because they have a 6-8mo advantage. we saw how quickly that can disappear when ati unveiled the r300, and again when nvidia launced the g80.
keeping the prices "up" during a short window of opportunity is altogether different than "cutting back" in other areas. regardless of whether nvidia says anything, you know they have their next product ready or close to ready. while they may delay a release to "milk" the current generation a bit, they certainly aren't going to stop moving forward...
I don't think microsoft will stop raising the directx bar anytime soon, and I haven't heard developers asking for less features either, so R&D needs to happen anyway.
Also, if you don't provide top notch performance, you run the risk of a competitor appearing out of nowhere and catching you up (arguably what happened with nv30 - the nv20 tech was stretched too far in the end). I don't think nvidia has forgotten that particular lesson either.
Yes, I'm a business man, and as such I know that the "stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap" model works better than the "price them expensive and only sell a few" model. They may both make the same amount of money in the end, but you get wider recognition and lowers your risks with the first model.
Also, if you don't provide top notch performance, you run the risk of a competitor appearing out of nowhere and catching you up (arguably what happened with nv30 - the nv20 tech was stretched too far in the end). I don't think nvidia has forgotten that particular lesson either.
Yes, I'm a business man, and as such I know that the "stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap" model works better than the "price them expensive and only sell a few" model. They may both make the same amount of money in the end, but you get wider recognition and lowers your risks with the first model.
apoppin
Lifer
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/gpu_displays/his_breaks_nda/1
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?typ...id=836&desc=radeon_hd2900xt_benchmarks
DT is starting to look like AT's "theInq"
and the HD-XT vs. 8800GTXbenchmark *specific* link about Crysis and 3dMark-06 benched on the *same* platform
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?typ...id=836&desc=radeon_hd2900xt_benchmarks
DT is starting to look like AT's "theInq"
[/i]
The large volume model only applies in large volume markets. In both cases your risk is your inventory -- the amount of $ you have invested. In both cases the risk is not being able to move the inventory at all, or moving it at below cost. With the high volume model you are simply capable of smoothing out the dollar averaging which results in selling below cost and then buying yet cheaper still. You can do the exact same thing with low volume high margin, except your cashflow will look more like a stairstep.
It's not a completely correct statement that risks are lower across the board with the high volume model.
As far as recognition -- this depends on the product and market once again. Ferrari e.g. has as much recognition as Isuzu. More so, in many markets. There's a point at which you're a household name and after which volume yields very diminishing returns, and changing / altering customer perception via advertising is far more effective.
Keysplayr
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So, I'm curious. Why on earth would you think otherwise? I thought you were a business owner? Less work for more money is better then more work for less money. [/quote]Originally posted by: CaiNaM
do you really think nvidia is going to shut down their R&D just because they have a jump on ati at the moment?
Who said "shut down"? We are talking "LESS", not "NONE". Just to be clear for you on/off types.
absolutely idiotic. tech moves too fast. both ati and nvidia are constantly pushing tech forward. it's the only way they prosper.
Idiotic or not, it's what happens. Look what happened to AMD resting comfortably at the top when all Intel had was P4's and PD's. Then suddenly, Conroe. Then suddenly AMD has to get their collective butts moving and play catch up. These are simple common sense things guys. If you DONT have to innovate at break neck speeds, you won't. Not that there will be zero innovation, that is not what I am saying.
again, that doesn't apply in something as volatile as 3d graphics. stuff they are working on now started years ago, and they certainly aren't going to stop just because they have a 6-8mo advantage. we saw how quickly that can disappear when ati unveiled the r300, and again when nvidia launced the g80.
It applies in every aspect of life Viditor. People will only work as hard as they HAVE to. If AMD suddenly dropped high end discrete graphics production (which could happen at any time) how do you think Nvidia would react? Would they all say, "Oh crap, AMD is stopping production on discrete high end graphics. We should get our rearends moving if we want to keep up the pace."? No way in hell. They would sigh a breath of relief and slow down a bit. Their products would no longer be reactionary or revolutionary. They would be minor improvements such as yields and higher clocks on smaller manufacturing processes to save costs. Bottom line is NET income. Countless people fear the demise of AMD's discrete graphics business. You know the answer to why.
keeping the prices "up" during a short window of opportunity is altogether different than "cutting back" in other areas. regardless of whether nvidia says anything, you know they have their next product ready or close to ready. while they may delay a release to "milk" the current generation a bit, they certainly aren't going to stop moving forward...
Once again, I never said "stop" moving forward. I said slower pace, less innovation, for the same high prices. Or higher.
[/quote]
That substance is also know as marijuana.
You have yet to prove the driver being used in said HL2 screenshot is 320 MB's in size.
You have yet to prove that the rendering error in the chain-link fence is a direct cause of malfunctioning hardware.
You have yet to prove that nVidia didn't utilize shader substitution.
And those are a mere three main arguments that you've tried to make just in this thread. Your complete forum history is simply idiotic. Ranging from your inept analysis of AF to your completely false claims of HDR+AA being achieved on any 6 or 7 series GPU with Far Cry.
Then they're stupid by that logic because the G80 Ultra isn't exactly on everyone's "to get" list.. I have yet to see a good review on it from a reputable site suggesting that it's a good card to get.
apoppin
Lifer
indeed
no matter how you look at it
he IS "working" for AMD's interests and turning people AWAY from nvidia
:Q
i am SO looking forward to work and no PC connection there whatsoever
agathodaimon
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SilentRunning, consumers will get their Dx10 from nvidia, don't worry about that. At the moment though, the more important fish to be fried is ATi (while Dx10 is still irrelevant).
Problem with you lot is you can't see things from more than one perpective at once. There is a lot more to the 3d graphics market than the wants of the consumer, something nvidia realizes (and mananges to address quite effectively if market share is an guide). I'm not at all sure that ATi realizes this though.
Problem with you lot is you can't see things from more than one perpective at once. There is a lot more to the 3d graphics market than the wants of the consumer, something nvidia realizes (and mananges to address quite effectively if market share is an guide). I'm not at all sure that ATi realizes this though.
apoppin
Lifer
"more than one perspective" ... "at once" ?
:Q
... that's because *we* don't have multiple personalty disorder
ATi doesn't need to "realize anything" ... it's *all* AMD ... they are guiding, directing, marketing their graphics.
DX10 becomes "relevant" to purchase decisions the instant HD2900xt hits the street and DX10 benches are available
we *know* DX10 games are coming ... this year ... that $888 8880u is gonna get "caught" by the $400-$450 HD-XT if the benches are "close" ... nevermind the Radeon edging the GTX in Crysis
:Q
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