This war is costing you $11,347.51

[HeXploiT]

According to a new report-by Congress' Joint Economic Committee the "War on Terror" will cost each of the 141 million Americans who pay taxes $11,347.51.

Let us pretend that hundreds of thousands of lives will not have been lost by the time the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have come to a close assuming of course that they do. Is the cost worth it to you?
Could this money have been spent more wisely?
Let me put another thought on the table.
Let's say the war on terror prevented a terrorist cell from entering the United States and detonating a nuclear device in a major city like New York and saved the lives of 200,000 people.
Would this money still not have served us better by spending it on food?
Could we not have ended world hunger for a decade with 1.6 trillion dollars?

 

[bamacre]

Another reason to vote for Paul.

 

[Red Dawn]

Actually it's costing future generations that.

 

[StageLeft]

Since I pay more in taxes than the average person, it actually is costing me more. Awesome. Money well spent. (yes, I drip with sarcasm)

 

[techs]

Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try.
But you can take a guess.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: techs
Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try.
But you can take a guess.

Well it was ~$25/barrel before the war and now its............


:Q

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Perry404
According to a new report-by Congress' Joint Economic Committee the "War on Terror" will cost each of the 141 million Americans who pay taxes $11,347.51.

Let us pretend that hundreds of thousands of lives will not have been lost by the time the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have come to a close assuming of course that they do. Is the cost worth it to you?
Could this money have been spent more wisely?
Let me put another thought on the table.
Let's say the war on terror prevented a terrorist cell from entering the United States and detonating a nuclear device in a major city like New York and saved the lives of 200,000 people.
Would this money still not have served us better by spending it on food?
Could we not have ended world hunger for a decade with 1.6 trillion dollars?

Let us pretend over 10k Iraqis did not die every month under sanctions, or that Saddam was one of the top genocidal maniacs of the past century. Let us forget the numbers you spew are the result of discredited and flawed door to door surveys, not actual body counts.
If you lived your life under constant oppression how much value would you put on your freedom? Multiply that by 27 million Iraqi citizens, cost per each for the bsic liberties you take for granted?

If they nuked NYC the world economy would likely collapse, even if not the devastation would negatively impact far more than 1.6 trillion would help.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs
Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try. Edit by Fern - looks like it's in their to me, as well as other hidden costs - see quote below
But you can take a guess.

Nope.

In the body of the article is says about $21K for a family of 4.

How much of that number/amount is for soldiers salary, food and gear etc. Stuff that we'd be paying for even if they were just stationed here and no *war*?

What we need is incremetal cost (extra combat pay and munitions etc that wouldn't have otherwise been expended).

Fern

Edit:

The report, obtained by The Associated Press and scheduled to be released Tuesday, attempted to put a price tag on the two conflicts, including "hidden" costs such as interest payments on the money borrowed to pay for the wars, lost investment, the expense of long- term health care for injured veterans and the cost of oil market disruptions.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Perry404
According to a new report-by Congress' Joint Economic Committee the "War on Terror" will cost each of the 141 million Americans who pay taxes $11,347.51.

Let us pretend that hundreds of thousands of lives will not have been lost by the time the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have come to a close assuming of course that they do. Is the cost worth it to you?
Could this money have been spent more wisely?
Let me put another thought on the table.
Let's say the war on terror prevented a terrorist cell from entering the United States and detonating a nuclear device in a major city like New York and saved the lives of 200,000 people.
Would this money still not have served us better by spending it on food?
Could we not have ended world hunger for a decade with 1.6 trillion dollars?

Let us pretend over 10k Iraqis did not die every month under sanctions, or that Saddam was one of the top genocidal maniacs of the past century. Let us forget the numbers you spew are the result of discredited and flawed door to door surveys, not actual body counts.
If you lived your life under constant oppression how much value would you put on your freedom? Multiply that by 27 million Iraqi citizens, cost per each for the bsic liberties you take for granted?

If they nuked NYC the world economy would likely collapse, even if not the devastation would negatively impact far more than 1.6 trillion would help.

Sorry, "World Police" is not our title. You wanna help? Get on a fvckin' plane and go. Our foreign policy is nothing more than imperialism. Protecting our "interest" at whatever cost, even if it means using the tactics (terror/deception/commerce) of the enemy. We have become our enemy and they have won!

So no more spew from you. Get on a plane and put your money where your mouth is. Oh yeah, don't come back until you are satisfied with the situation over there. I think this is the solution to all these war mongers, send them all over there and then we will see what they think then. I bet we hear "mommy" before the end of a day.

 

[BoberFett]

:roll: @ Alistar7

Are you seriously suggesting we start a war based on any potential future events? Hell, Alistar7 might detonate a nuke in NYC someday, we'd better pre-emptively kill him.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
:roll: @ Alistar7

Are you seriously suggesting we start a war based on any potential future events? Hell, Alistar7 might detonate a nuke in NYC someday, we'd better pre-emptively kill him.

Ummm... Looks to me like he's responding directly to the hypothetical in the OP (i.e., is $1.6T worth avoiding a NYC nuke strike etc.)

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try.
But you can take a guess.

Nope.

In the body of the article is says about $21K for a family of 4.

How much of that number/amount is for soldiers salary, food and gear etc. Stuff that we'd be paying for even if they were just stationed here and no *war*?

What we need is incremetal cost (extra combat pay and munitions etc that wouldn't have otherwise been expended).

Fern

Soldiers' salaries are not included in the costs listed... they are part of the normal DoD appropriations that the report does not include in the cost. (If that were the case you would be tacking on another 600 billion or so over the 4 year period so far). So, as far as salaries go... zero. Food over there is likely to be considerably more expensive to distribute then it is here, so that's something above and beyond. (ie. BAS is about $250 a month here in the states and I guarantee you the DoD is spending considerably more then that to feed a person in Iraq).

Combat pay is probably not a very significant amount of the outlays either. It adds up to a few hundred dollars per month, and while that can add up when multiplied by 150,000 or so... it's not anywhere close to what the equipment and infrastructure outlays that we're pulling out are I'm sure.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try.
But you can take a guess.

Nope.

In the body of the article is says about $21K for a family of 4.

How much of that number/amount is for soldiers salary, food and gear etc. Stuff that we'd be paying for even if they were just stationed here and no *war*?

What we need is incremetal cost (extra combat pay and munitions etc that wouldn't have otherwise been expended).

Fern

It actually says this:
The report estimated that both wars would cost $3.5 trillion between 2003 and 2017. Under that scenario, it would cost a family of four $46,400, the report said

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
Very deceptive.
Actually it will cost a family of four $46,400.
So unless your 6 and 8 year olds are going to chip in thier $11,347.51 each it will cost us adults a lot more.
And, the report says it can't determine how much of the increase in the price of oil the war has cost us, so they didn't try.
But you can take a guess.

Nope.

In the body of the article is says about $21K for a family of 4.

How much of that number/amount is for soldiers salary, food and gear etc. Stuff that we'd be paying for even if they were just stationed here and no *war*?

What we need is incremetal cost (extra combat pay and munitions etc that wouldn't have otherwise been expended).

Fern

It actually says this:
The report estimated that both wars would cost $3.5 trillion between 2003 and 2017. Under that scenario, it would cost a family of four $46,400, the report said

Yeah, I understand that. But you're mixing apples & oranges.

The $11,347 amount you mention is for the $1.6T.

Kids are not (usually) "taxpayers". The amount per taxpayer is applied to Mom & Dad, not the kids.

Anyhoo, $800 Billion has been requested, I'm not sure if it has been approved by Congress. Then they're taking that amount and doubling it for "hidden costs" difficult to quantify.

We ain't even to the end of '07 yet and they have (estimated?) '08 costs in the (lower $1.6T) number.

Fern

 

[alchemize]

It's just not worth it. Let them eat sand and drink oil, and kill each other to their hearts content.

 

[StageLeft]

Futures aside, the war has cost an additional ~500 B. 500B divided by a population of the US of 300M is $1600/each, but that includes kids, old people, poor people, etc. so the future notwithstanding, my portion of it would be well into the thousands, though it's not like this country will ever pay all the debt anyway, so no biggie afterall :0

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If they nuked NYC the world economy would likely collapse, even if not the devastation would negatively impact far more than 1.6 trillion would help.

Mushroom clouds and WMDs? Are you still a believer? :laugh: How pathetic.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If they nuked NYC the world economy would likely collapse, even if not the devastation would negatively impact far more than 1.6 trillion would help.

Yes because Saddam was in a really fucking great position to nuke New York City.

 

[Nebor]

Why do people think world hunger can be solved with money, or more food? There's massive surpluses of food in the world. We give it away by the millions of tons. But if evil men with tanks and helicopters won't let their people have that food, it's pointless. We have enough food in the world, we just have too many asshat dictators.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Perry404
According to a new report-by Congress' Joint Economic Committee the "War on Terror" will cost each of the 141 million Americans who pay taxes $11,347.51.

Good thing I invested in oil companies and defense contractors then huh?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

How much have Germany, Japan, and Korea cost the US over the years?

Were they worth it, or not?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Perry404
According to a new report-by Congress' Joint Economic Committee the "War on Terror" will cost each of the 141 million Americans who pay taxes $11,347.51.

Let us pretend that hundreds of thousands of lives will not have been lost by the time the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have come to a close assuming of course that they do. Is the cost worth it to you?
Could this money have been spent more wisely?
Let me put another thought on the table.
Let's say the war on terror prevented a terrorist cell from entering the United States and detonating a nuclear device in a major city like New York and saved the lives of 200,000 people.
Would this money still not have served us better by spending it on food?
Could we not have ended world hunger for a decade with 1.6 trillion dollars?

Actually, its not costing everyone $11,347. Most americans do not pay that in taxes.

 

[tomywishbone]

"If they nuked NYC the world economy would likely collapse, even if not the devastation would negatively impact far more than 1.6 trillion would help. "


:laugh: Stay off the drugs... or at least share them.:beer:

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
How much have Germany, Japan, and Korea cost the US over the years?

Were they worth it, or not?

:laugh: I just peed my pants.

 

[dahunan]

This war will be the death of America and you can thank the Bush Family Mafia for that