This video shows the absurdity of the war in Syria in one single blown-up Humvee

Genx87

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...yria-in-one-single-blown-up-humvee/?tid=sm_fb

Cant make this up. A US made Humvee most likely captured from the worthless Iraqi army by ISIS is being blown up by an American TOW missile system supplied to the Free Syrian Army by our govt. This is how effed up this situation that we helped created has become. Our equipment is on both sides of the war.

Anyways as an added touch. These "moderate" Syrians we are supplying let us know god is great as they blow up that US made Humvee. Sounds like our tax dollars our going to a good cause.
 
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PokerGuy

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This is what happens when we get involved in these conflicts with no "good" side to support, no clear objectives, and no clear means by which to achieve the objectives. Pretty much a lose lose proposition. This is not limited to the current administration either, these types of involvements go back a long time.
 

master_shake_

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the enemy of my enemy is my customer?

but think of all the jobs making that humvee and tow missile made.
 

maddogchen

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meanwhile our defense industry is making out like bandits! Sell weapons to both sides? win-win
 

alien42

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this isn't exactly a new concept, the US has been arming people who then become our enemies for decades now.
 

Humpy

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Not disagreeing but it's also not that big of thing. The Humvee is pretty much just an easy to use truck, and ubiquitous in the area. It could have been a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota. We should provide real weapons systems to both sides, to thin the herd, and then simply kill the winner.
 

MongGrel

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Nothing really new to see really.

Wasting a TOW on a Humvee is pretty much though, it's not armored.

The dude sitting in it must not have been looking around much.
 

Sonikku

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So can we stop arming future terrorists please? Putin's content to absorb all the losses and blame. Let him.
 

feralkid

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I'm not so sure...the day we start thinking of Putin as "useful" is a day I start to really worry.
 

sm625

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...yria-in-one-single-blown-up-humvee/?tid=sm_fb

Cant make this up. A US made Humvee most likely captured from the worthless Iraqi army by ISIS is being blown up by an American TOW missile system supplied to the Free Syrian Army by our govt. This is how effed up this situation that we helped created has become. Our equipment is on both sides of the war.

Anyways as an added touch. These "moderate" Syrians we are supplying let us know god is great as they blow up that US made Humvee. Sounds like our tax dollars our going to a good cause.

But its for the children! Without the profits from arming both sides of conflicts in the middle east, our economy cant grow and our children will never be able to get out from under the crushing national debt. Do it for the children.
 

K1052

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This is obviously why we need more defense spending. We aren't going to be safe from the weapons we sold/gave everyone. Rebuild that 6th fleet Carly!

:colbert:
 
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sm625

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That guy has the right look on his face. He's like... hmmm... that's kind of interesting. But not really.
 

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This is how effed up this situation that we helped created has become. Our equipment is on both sides of the war.
As a shareholder of Lockheed and General Dynamics, I support this complete waste of tax dollars. :thumbsup:
(this mentality is why it keeps happening)
 

SP33Demon

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That guy has the right look on his face. He's like... hmmm... that's kind of interesting. But not really.

"That guy" is the president of France. And you really think France is the only one bombing them? It's all western countries they're after. So Obama, Merkel, Cameron, etc should all be holding that gas can. However, like I've said in other posts, ISIS wants us to come there since it's a fulfillment of their prophecy (from the Hadith) to fight us in Dabiq.

RE:OP video, it's kind of disturbing that they all scream "Allahu Akbar!" when they kill each other or when they kill us. Like my other thread, it's the violent ideology that we need to go after. "God is great!" when you're killing doesn't sound like a God I want to know. Jesus would condemn all of this BS.
 

WackyDan

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My nephew who is military (and an officer) put it best...

"We are fighting a proxy war against ourselves".
 

WackyDan

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"That guy" is the president of France. And you really think France is the only one bombing them? It's all western countries they're after. So Obama, Merkel, Cameron, etc should all be holding that gas can. However, like I've said in other posts, ISIS wants us to come there since it's a fulfillment of their prophecy (from the Hadith) to fight us in Dabiq.

RE:OP video, it's kind of disturbing that they all scream "Allahu Akbar!" when they kill each other or when they kill us. Like my other thread, it's the violent ideology that we need to go after. "God is great!" when you're killing doesn't sound like a God I want to know. Jesus would condemn all of this BS.

They want us over there for either one of these scenarios...

1. They want the Arab nations to rise up against the western coalition and fulfill there end days prophecy.

2. They want the western nations and Russia and anyone else in there to trip over each other and start WWIII therefore fulfilling their end days prophecy


The reality is... We need the entire world body to isolate what is propagating radical islam. Which means we need to isolate Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran(Hezbollah). Nobody has the balls to call for that though. You know damn well the intelligence communities know exactly where the radical's funding are coming from.
 

SP33Demon

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They want us over there for either one of these scenarios...

1. They want the Arab nations to rise up against the western coalition and fulfill there end days prophecy.

2. They want the western nations and Russia and anyone else in there to trip over each other and start WWIII therefore fulfilling their end days prophecy


The reality is... We need the entire world body to isolate what is propagating radical islam. Which means we need to isolate Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran(Hezbollah). Nobody has the balls to call for that though. You know damn well the intelligence communities know exactly where the radical's funding are coming from.

#2 doesn't make sense. Why would western nations/Russia start WWIII because of random acts of terror?

Also, isolating SA, Pakistan and Iran will do nothing. A change to their scriptures/texts needs to be done by a legit caliphate (not ISIS), then mosques have lost their recruiting tool ("But the Koran/Hadith commands you to do this").

From a money standpoint, ISIS is already self sufficient off oil. Even without oil, they could probably survive. From my other post in the another thread:
ISIS is rich because of oil, not just donations. They are self sufficient and could probably easily survive without any donors at all. However, you are right in the sense of who is buying the oil? And why are we not prosecuting them? From the article link below - "We wonder how long until someone finally asks the all important question regarding the Islamic State: who is the commodity trader breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various "western alliance" governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has? One other important thing to note - oil prices are low for a reason. Start eliminating ISIS stores of fuel and it will affect every American at the pump. Still in a rush to bomb them? Money is the root of all evil, they say.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/most-important-question-about-isis-nobody-asking

According to the Iraq Energy Institute, an independent, nonprofit policy organization focused on Iraq’s energy sector, the army of radical Islamists controls production of 30,000 barrels of oil a day in Iraq and 50,000 barrels in Syria. By selling the oil on the black market at a discounted price of $40 per barrel (compared to about $93 per barrel in the free market), ISIS takes in $3.2 million a day.

The oil revenue, which amounts to nearly $100 million each month, allows ISIS to fund its military and terrorist attacks — and to attract more recruits from around the world, including America.

Do you realize that ISIS is making more than Amazon (1 billion a year in profits) off oil alone?

Other souces of funding:
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/isis-...l-funding-human-trafficking/story/1/7468.html

Antiquities
Ransom
International donors
Looting of Iraqi banks
Auctioning of government houses
Sale of Sulphuric acid, cement and phosphate
Heavy taxation and extortion
Sex slave trafficking
 

Nebor

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I lol everytime I hear these savages chanting "allah ackbar" when they do anything. No one involved there could tell you even the most basic principal of how a TOW missile works. From the fiber-optic wire-guide to the solid propellant in the missile. The whole thing is basically magic to them. So is the HMMV for that matter. Without Western intervention they couldn't create anything more sophisticated than an AK47, and I doubt they could create their own ammunition. Just lol. What we need is to import a few million of these people into Western nations to diversify ourselves.