"This" Trump Presidency MUST BE Officially Delegitimize

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Not trying to say Hillary should have won.
Not trying to say that Hillary would have won.
Not trying to say that Hillary could have won.
Not trying to say that Trump would not have won regardless.
But...

Considering the facts now revealed concerning this past election, and the fact that an foreign entity did indeed influence an American election, and the fact that any foreign entity had success conducting assault upon American sovereignty using methods of electronic technology, the mere facts should constitute the delegitimizing of the entire 2016 US presidential election.
And constitute a full re-do operation, despite the cost or the time involved for such an operation.

If Americans have any hope for maintaining the integrity of our democracy, this past election MUST BE delegitimize regardless the past outcome.
Yes, even if Hillary would have won the same would hold true.

If we as Americans allow this to go forward, the result of this highly flawed election now proven influenced by outside foreign interest, if we as Americans allow this election to stand then we can no longer consider ourselves a free democracy.
No longer the intended democracy guaranteed by our US Constitution, no longer the democracy intended by the founding fathers.

If we allow this third world election result to stand, to go forward including whatever consequences that may result, then we are no longer the nation that our fellow Americans fought and died for.
Every foundation our government was built upon, every action that our congress might take within the next four years will be in fact delegitimize.
Every appointment, illegitimate. Every law passed, illegitimate. Every directive, illegitimate.

Absolutely this past election should be deemed illegitimate and delegitimize by the full US congress and by the entire American electorate itself. That is, if we still truly do believe in ourselves.
Until that does indeed take place, then every American from this day going forward has the full and moral right as well as legitimate right to refuse and deny the legitimacy of this president elect and his full administration.
Including the full US congress should they refuse and fail to take immediate corrective action.

Yes Kelly Conway, "your" president is indeed fully 100% an illegitimate president. And those in congress, all of them, should also be considered illegitimate should they fail their constitutional responsibilities.
Our nations was attacked. Our people were damaged. Our institutions ravaged and our morals demoralized by communist intervention from abroad.
We have no king.
We have no government until we as a people remedy the situation and regain our heart, our soul, regain our legitimacy to exist as a free democracy.

delegitimize
[dee-li-jit-uh-mahyz]

verb (used with object), delegitimized,delegitimizing.
1.
to remove the legitimate or legal status of.
 
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Moonbeam

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Most Americans are more concerned about how far away Friday is except for the ones who can't find work.
 
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UglyCasanova

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If the Russians did influence our election their method was releasing to the American public true information. Why then should the election be delegitimized? At the end of the day the voting public got more information to base their vote on, is that a bad thing?

If the releases were chock full of false information you may have a point, but they weren't and no one has ever claimed that they were.

And I've yet to have anyone on here answer me regarding my question on which of the "hacks" the Russians were behind, because there were several during the election season that all get wrongly thrown into the same pot.
 

compuwiz1

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How many Russian citizens voted in the election?
I don't know anyone who's vote was influenced by the Russians.
 

Moonbeam

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How many Russian citizens voted in the election?
I don't know anyone who's vote was influenced by the Russians.
Like you would know if you had been influenced or not? Jesus, how ignorant can you be about how ignorant you can be. You have no real idea why you think anything? Don't bother to answer. You don't know the answer. You are attached to your notion of self. You think the trick is to know things when real knowing is to be empty, free from all belief.
 

compuwiz1

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Like you would know if you had been influenced or not? Jesus, how ignorant can you be about how ignorant you can be. You have no real idea why you think anything? Don't bother to answer. You don't know the answer. You are attached to your notion of self. You think the trick is to know things when real knowing is to be empty, free from all belief.

Your dickishness is duly noted, sir. :D

Now kindly go eat a sack of dicks.

Over the top even for P&N and the "kindly" doesn't help.
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alcoholbob

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It's true, since the only thing that's legitimate in American way life is money is free speech.

Assuming these allegations are correct, Russia supposedly affected the elections by revealing the truth. We don't take to kindly to grass roots democracy or non corporate-sanctioned "fact-based" propaganda in this country.

The right way to do it would be to buy off our politicians by funneling money into the election and buy the loudest voice like the other rich countries do using obscurantist corporate ads.

Basically Russia is too poor to play the game the right way, haha.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Reminder to everyone in this thread that Moonbeam was semi-supportive of Trump earlier in the campaign and that the anger he expresses is his own self-hatred looking for an escape.
 

compuwiz1

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Reminder to everyone in this thread that Moonbeam was semi-supportive of Trump earlier in the campaign and that the anger he expresses is his own self-hatred looking for an escape.

Nah, he just pings between LBD and CBD...and he's probably sexually frustrated too. Just needs to grab a good hank mag, a glass of wine and rub one out.
 

1prophet

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Low information conservative brain defective Deplorables were voting for Trump anyway, since the rest of the voters were high intelligence Liberal types that can easily see through false news and scientific poll after scientific poll showed they were going to give Hillary an easy win,

who exactly did this so called Russian e-mail hacking influence anyway?
 

cubby1223

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Considering the facts now revealed concerning this past election, and the fact that an foreign entity did indeed influence an American election, and the fact that any foreign entity had success conducting assault upon American sovereignty using methods of electronic technology, the mere facts should constitute the delegitimizing of the entire 2016 US presidential election.
And constitute a full re-do operation, despite the cost or the time involved for such an operation.
No. Your position is based on your bitterness, rather than your integrity.

What did the Russians do? They obtained information and got it published it on the internet. If obtaining and publishing information is your the threshold to calling a do-over, then if your position is based on integrity, you will never have a legitimate Presidential election ever. If your position is based on bitterness, you will be satisfied only with the elections that result in your personal bias winning.
 
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HomerJS

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No. Your position is based on your bitterness, rather than your integrity.

What did the Russians do? They obtained information and got it published it on the internet. If obtaining and publishing information is your the threshold to calling a do-over, then if your position is based on integrity, you will never have a legitimate Presidential election ever. If your position is based on bitterness, you will be satisfied only with the elections that result in your personal bias winning.
If Russians leaked an email from Steve Bannon referring to black people as n1ggers you and others Trumpets would cry foul and undo election influence.

Based on things we know about Bannon its plausible.

I have no problem with trying to delegitimize Trump's presidency since he spent 5 years trying to delegitimize Obama as a citizen thereby delegitimizing his presidency
 

Bitek

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There are no Mulligans until 2020.

Trump and the GOP policies can be opposed, but they are in power until 2018.

These fantasies are a waste of time.