This seems to fit as "off topic: .177 pellets

Comdrpopnfresh

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Anyone know of good .177 lead-free pellets or a places with good reviews of such items?
SWIM has 2 low-powered guns (Daisy Buck @ 275fps BB + a S&W M&P 45 @ ~370fps) and a med-powered rifle (Daisy 880). I don't intend on shooting at animals (unless a bear steps out of line), but don't want to contaminate where I shoot with lead. Thanks.
 

phucheneh

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Aren't those velocities crazy low for a .177? The weights I'm seeing listed for those pellets are around half a gram...that would pretty much put the energy of a 275fps gun at around that of a stout airsoft rifle.

...that's lead. Lead-free is going to travel faster, but probably get blown off course by a mild breeze.
 

pontifex

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Anyone know of good .177 lead-free pellets or a places with good reviews of such items?
SWIM has 2 low-powered guns (Daisy Buck @ 275fps BB + a S&W M&P 45 @ ~370fps) and a med-powered rifle (Daisy 880). I don't intend on shooting at animals (unless a bear steps out of line), but don't want to contaminate where I shoot with lead. Thanks.

I hope you're referring to this kind of bear or maybe this kind
 

edro

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Stick with lead.

RWS Superdome
http://www.amazon.com/RWS-Superdome-.../dp/B001ABP2QA

They are sold at most outdoors superstores (Cabelas, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, etc).
They are very high quality and very consistent.

They travel ~950FPS from decent pellet rifles, which is below the sound barrier and the perfect speed to maintain spiral and trajectory.

I wouldn't recommend the PBA pellets. They are too light and have bad flight paths. They also can break the sound barrier, so they sound similar to a .22 going off.
 
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Comdrpopnfresh

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After getting a few kinds, I really like the Beeman Eco. Each pellet is perfect, and stand up to impact well. For the rifle, the GAMO blue-flame are my preference. Saving up for a .22 air rifle that is >1000fps, so it can have some good muzzle vel/energy and break the sound barrier.
I shoot in a rural area, but in a backyard where rainwater and runoff ends up in the aquifer a well draws from... not trying to have issues from shooting where I eat + drink.
 

Minerva

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Stick with lead.

RWS Superdome
http://www.amazon.com/RWS-Superdome-.../dp/B001ABP2QA

They are sold at most outdoors superstores (Cabelas, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, etc).
They are very high quality and very consistent.

They travel ~950FPS from decent pellet rifles, which is below the sound barrier and the perfect speed to maintain spiral and trajectory.

I wouldn't recommend the PBA pellets. They are too light and have bad flight paths. They also can break the sound barrier, so they sound similar to a .22 going off.

I have a "beater" break action Beeman from Walmart that I do this with. Load up a .177 pellet (the rifle has a .22 and .177 barrel) and fill the skirt with a drop of 3in1 oil. The compression behind causes the oil to ignite and adds a few hundred fps. The smoke and sound of the pellet breaking the sound barrier sounds just like my Marlin .22LR! Search for dieseling pellet gun on youtube.

I know it's bad for the gun and messes up the accuracy beyond 30 yards because the pellets can tumble but it's hilarious especially when my inlaws come over!

It does add considerable power, too bad it's bad for the longevity of the rifle and accuracy. Shooting at an old hp chassis without oil the pellet just puts a "nipple" shaped dent in the sheet metal. The oiled pellet actually went completely through the panel and its remains were embedded in the oak plank behind it. I would not want to get shot with either.

Non Pb pellets sound like a good idea for short range target practice. A low power gun like the OP should be fine. Break action .177s are 1000+ fps with Pb...
 

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I don't intend on shooting at animals (unless a bear steps out of line), but don't want to contaminate where I shoot with lead.

If you intend to shoot at bears with your pellet rifle, I would do it over the shoulder so you're facing the right way. Maybe even start running before you pull the trigger.
 

Comdrpopnfresh

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Ha. I meant if a bear moves to attack- I certainly wouldn't provoke a bear. You can't outrun, outswim, or out-climb them... rather pop a few rounds in it then get mauled without putting up any resistance. Supposedly they are just big, nearly-blind cowards. I figure putting a few in them may make them think twice.
 

Raduque

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If a bear is already moving to attack, you aren't getting out alive with just a .177 pellet gun.
 

CurseTheSky

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If a bear is already moving to attack, you aren't getting out alive with just a .177 pellet gun.

This... why would you ever shoot a bear with a pellet gun?

Let's put it this way: a pellet gun is insufficient for taking out a coyote. Coyotes are significantly easier to take down than a bear. Do the math.
 

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Ha. I meant if a bear moves to attack- I certainly wouldn't provoke a bear. You can't outrun, outswim, or out-climb them... rather pop a few rounds in it then get mauled without putting up any resistance. Supposedly they are just big, nearly-blind cowards. I figure putting a few in them may make them think twice.
Bears don't give a shit when they're robbing honey & bees are stinging them. You think they'll give a shit over a .177 pellet? They'll likely not even notice it. And, that's for a decent pellet gun (was just looking at one tonight - 1200 fps for the alloy pellets). Under 300 fps?? That's paintball velocity. They're not going to even feel that through their fur.
 

waggy

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pellet guns are a lot of fun. i had a nice single shot, high velocity .22 rifle. the fucker was accurate at 100 yards.
 

Doppel

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Just looked up dieseling BB gun. Is awesome and I am very sad I didn't know about it as a kid. Damn Internet wasn't there to tell me :(
 

Comdrpopnfresh

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I'd eventually like to have a .22 air rifle for rural plinking and target practice as the per-shot price is considerably less than that of a powder-rifle. I have shot a pellet-pistol at 25yd at a target stuck on a pressurized piece of lumber, and the Pb-free pellets shot from it imbed themselves in it, and with the rifle I cannot see the pellet, just the hole. If bears are cowards, and I'm not standing between a mama-bear and her cubs, I still feel carrying will leave me with a better chance than just being on a stroll w/o a projectile weapon. I'm not saying I'm banking on it saving my life, but I have taken a walk and seen a bear within 125m that was staring down at me, a family member, and a family pet, and stalked us for some time on our immediate return to shelter... an 8-round, semi-auto, sub-500fps .177 pellet pistol and/or single-shot rifle .177 ~800fps has to be better than say, a safety whistle, or carrying around some generic yellow mustard container to squirt on them as they dig their claws into you and/or a loved one.

Whether I choose or have available such a .22 air rifle with a CO2 tank or break-barrel (I do not like the idea of a single load+shot with any caliber...) is a question for available funding for a purchase and actual use enough to warrant a purchase. I just did a mildly-thorough cleaning on my mock-mp45 pistol, and when I have time in a month or two will do the same with my .177 rifle.

The kit I purchased came with what I consider a rifling-damaging brush, so I used a couple cotton pads and pellets as well as powder-based-grade cleaning/lube oil to clean the barrel. I had some time (rural vacation spot) to look at the accompanying literature, and I am unsure whether to get a nylon brush attachment for cleaning the rifling on both my pistol and rifle, or the (relatively; mucho expensive) looped-type cleaning brush. In either case, am rather sure the cleaning I did was not effective toward cleaning out the rifling.

Is GAMO the leader in .22 >900-1000fps rifles? I'd like something with a good weaver-rail to mount a green laser I already have, and possibly a dot-sight mount.

As I mentioned, though I feel it requires re-iteration: I DO NOT aim or shoot my air guns at anything living.... I do recreational target practice and plinking at suspended Al cans, hanging/applied paper adhesive targets, and/or a steel spinning zombie target I got for cheap at Walmart. I follow proper handling procedures, enforce the same on adult guest-users, and handle each of my air-guns as if they were loaded powder-based guns. I respect them as projectile weapons, and use them as a means to develop my skills/practices, and reserve their use as intervention in a situation in which myself or a loved one is in immediate danger. I do not store them loaded/CO2 primed, nor to I brandish them in public, or pass them off as actual firearms. That being said, I enjoy taking (safe) trick shots that impress myself and other with everything from my Daisy Buck to my mock mp45 and air rifle.

<u>Question</u>: what is a ballpark for cleaning for an airgun/rifle when using Pb-free ammo vs Leaded shot? I feel like the deposits from using lead-free ammo is considerably less than using lead ammo. I cleaned my airgun (pistol) after using about > a dozen C02 cartridges, but have not kept track of the shots taken on my air rifle. It is actually a replacement for an identical model air rifle that failing; I either did not maintenance it well enough, or over-charged the pump...
 

surfsatwerk

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I predict a necro a few years from now with a link to an article titled "Man and pellet gun eaten by bear."