This may be why Bush doesn't want manual recounts....at least in Florida

[ride525]

Interesting article says that common feeling is most problem ballots were in Democratic areas.....So no wonder BUSH didn't want manual recounts, at least in Florida. (I think in New Mexico they were ok with him, though)

MSNBC Article

Confusing instructions included "vote all pages", even for butterfly ballots......

 

[Soybomb]

Dood.....give it up, the dems aren't even gonna give you much support anymore. How many recounts do you want until the error of hand recounts will put it in favor of gore? Do you honestly think that its right to have to interpert a vote? I think most reasonable people will agree the machine count is much more accurate!

 

[Valhalla1]

dude.. we all knew this already. no sh!t bush doesn't want recounts, they are heavily democratic counties..

 

[ride525]

"Dood",

1. My post says nothing about wanting any more hand recounts....it just points to an interesting article I found.

2. And on your second point, I disagree. Most common thought is that a manual count can identify ballots that the machines miss. If you've been reading the news, you'll see that punch cards have a higher rate of undervotes, the reasoning being that the machines can't always read a vote that hasn't been completely punched out.

And this article points out why Bush doesn't want all of Florida manual recounted.

 

[etech]

Dems playing the race card now, sad, it appears they are trying to say the blacks are too stupid to vote correctly so they need special protections. It is obvious that that is a flawed assumption, at least it is obvious to the Republicans.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

It was only a matter of time until they brought race into it.

 

[glenn1]

I agree... that the biggest incident of problems (real or imagined, we will never know now) occurred in heavily Democrat leaning areas is interesting to note, perhaps even newsworthy. That these areas have a high concentration of black voters is totally immaterial. Why is the racial background (or any other demographic information) about the residents of the area even material? That would be like someone telling me, "oh, my friend got stopped by the police on the highway for speeding, and oh yeah, HE'S BLACK." So what? What does that have to do with anything, so why does the race of voters in 'problem areas' matter?

 

[ride525]

<< Dems playing the race card now, sad >>



Hey, I just posted an interesting article.......Except for a comment or two from the NAACP, I don't think there is much of a &quot;race card&quot; being played.

 

[bozack]

anyone read on yahoo how it was found in cretain florida counties convicts and the deceased were placing votes for Gore? now if that isnt the oldest trick in the book I don't know what is...

those sneaky dems...what a bunch of liars, if I find the link again you can be sure I will post it

 

[IamDavid]

The Dems know they lost, now they just want to make sure Bush can't do anything for the next 4 years. And on the race subject, I couldn't believe it when a Dem. spokesman said it was racist when the Rep. brought up the fact that criminals had illegally voted.

 

[Rendus]

I'm waiting for someone to mention Hitler so this all ends

 

[BoberFett]

Gore is Hitler's love child.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Dems playing the race card now, sad, it appears they are trying to say the blacks are too stupid to vote correctly so they need special protections.

I couldn't believe it when a Dem. spokesman said it was racist when the Rep. brought up the fact that criminals had illegally voted.

Sounds like the self-proclaimed party of &quot;tolerance and inclusion&quot; doesn't think very highly of minorities. I guess that's why they want to doom them to pathetic, dependant existances. Probably also why you don't see minorities in any high positions within the party.

 

[cxim]

A pretty biased article >>As many as 1 in 3 minority ballots discarded in Florida election<<.. This implies that there is some type of widespread ( statewide ) minority voting problem. It was not widespread... perhaps a few districts in Duval county..

a bold biased statement... with a normal distortion... Jessie J has been down here pushing this crap for a while.

This article restates some of the same Information, I posted on this BB last week.. Note what the real difference is... These counties for the most part are democrat controlled. dems run the election process. dems decide on the type of voting machine.

Duval county had some really DUMB dems getting out the vote... just as said in the article... They told people to vote on every page... they did not look at the sample ballots mailed to every voter &amp; then they did not read the ballot !! There were 2 pages of presidential candidates.

 

[T2T III]

I was watching one of the political stations last evening. It looks like Florida last cleaned their vote punching machines during 1998. WTF?

 

[veryape]

Sucks to e a minority on this board(democrat). I guess you are only allowed to post if its against Gore. I thought it was a legitimate post and didn't think he deserved
to get reamed a new ass for it.

 

[cxim]

not all of Florida...

That was from the contest hearing... supposedly Palm Beach county... &amp; this was from a democrat witness &amp; he said someone told him this... no verification of any kind was done or presented.

a bit strange that this was allowed in as testimony.

It may be true ? Who knows ? This was from the same guy who said that the rubber strips were hard &amp; caused machine error... He looked at &amp; took apart several voting machines in PB county... He never looked to see if the rubber strips were hard or not in the machines he examined..

I thought it most odd that he had this theory of hard rubber, examined the machines &amp; made no effort to determine if his theory was valid....

He also was a proponent of the chad build up theory... he did not evaluate any of the same machines to see if there was chad buildup in the area of the presidential column.

I still can't figure out what this 'expert' actually did when he examined the machines....

He described many things about the machines in detail... But no data about anything that either supported or negated the theories.

 

[ride525]

<< A pretty biased article >>As many as 1 in 3 minority ballots discarded in Florida election<<.. This implies that there is some type of widespread ( statewide ) minority voting problem. It was not widespread... perhaps a few districts in Duval county.. >>



It's interesting how two people can read the same article, one thinks it is biased, and one doesn't.

If you read the article, you can see that it says as MANY as 1 in 3 ballots were discarded, and that this doesn't apply all over Florida, but in just a few areas.

Again, I just posted the article because I thought it was interesting.

 

[Rigoletto]

Bush looks kinda like a retarded chimpanzee to me. It's a good trick to teach him to talk though, I gotta admit... looks like they have another 4 years to sort out the content of his utterances before re-election...

 

[Static911]

I'm azn and an registered independent.
I agree that the Democrats play too much of the race issue. TRUE, the republicans were all WASPS; HOWEVER, it is like a pendulum. The Democrats FORCED the Republicans to understand the importance of the minority voters, so they started to understand AND LISTEN. The Democrats are still stuck in their little word of minorities need More and more and more protection (I am still in favor for affirmitive action); but Democrats take it to the extreme.

I interpret the Democrats as using minorities, especially the African-Americans and Hispanics as their Ace cards. When all else fails, blame it on the race, in any shape and fashion.

In the end, IT WOULD B BEST (i didn't say it would b FAIR) for the nation to continue and GORE concede. Since I'm a Latin American major, this starting to look like L.A.'s elections...scandalz..

Peace straight from So-Cal and Big D,
Static911

 

[IronMike]

Ride, here is a link to a Miami Herald article that shows why the Republicans don't want a manual recount.
Winner?

 

[Double Trouble]

<<The Democrats FORCED the Republicans to understand the importance of the minority voters>>

Actually, if you look at the voting patterns broken down by ethnic background, you'll see that the percentages broke down just about the same as they did in last election, and most other elections. An overwhelming majority of the black vote went democratic as expected. The hispanic vote, which a lot of experts had predicted might go to Bush this time around, went largely to Gore as well, with the notable exception of Florida, where it was fairly evenly split.

The repubs tried to project a 'softer kinder' image to try and attract some of the minority vote, but if the stats I've seen on ethnic voter breakdowns are any indication, it was a waste of time.

 

[Double Trouble]

<<link to Miami Herald article...>>

Yeah yeah... reading the article ride525 linked to, and the one in the miami herald, it's instantly clear what the authors want -- Gore for president.

Why not just be honest and put a disclaimer above the article that says &quot;we really really don't like Bush, and we're trying to do anything we can to give Gore another shot at it. Please read the following article so we can convince you of the evil plot of the republicans to remove all civil rights of the minorities. Thank you.&quot;

It would be nice if there were some decent non-biased media outlets that simply reported the news instead of trying to influence it.

 

[Double Trouble]

... and, since we're linking to MSNBC articles Felons vote for Gore.

An interesting excerpt: <<THIS COULD mean more than 5,000 felons cast ballots if the pattern holds up across the state. Nearly six million people voted in Florida?s 67 counties. Most of the votes, nearly 75 percent, were cast by registered Democrats.&quot; >>

It's VERY interesting that 75% of the felons that voted were democrats. What does that say about the democratic candidate, when all the felons overwhelmingly vote for him???

 

[ride525]

The articles present an interesting point.....if all the ballots were counted, that the results would be MIGHT be different.....