This looks like a very informative documentary

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Ausm

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Hubris: The Selling of the Iraq War

I think this would be a very good show for the Historically challenged in here or for the people who want to know how we got to this point in History.

It airs tonight at 9PM eastern.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/02/16/how-the-bush-administration-sold-the-iraq-war/

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2...ng-of-the-iraq-war-monday-218-at-9-pm-et?lite

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Documentary based on a book by people that are avidly against the Republican administration.

It will be an interesting canvas from such a paint brush.

It will be interesting to see the spin they put on the Democratic involvement.
 
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EagleKeeper said:
Documentary based on a book by people that are avidly against the Republican administration.

It will be an interesting canvas from such a paint brush.

It will be interesting to see the spin they put on the Democratic involvement.
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This.

Marked for later.
 
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EagleKeeper said:
Documentary based on a book by people that are avidly against the Republican administration.

It will be an interesting canvas from such a paint brush.

It will be interesting to see the spin they put on the Democratic involvement.
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How can it be a spin when they are interviewing the people who were in charge of finding the weapons of mass delusion?
 
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cubby1223 said:
As presented by MSNBC and Maddow?

Thanks but will not be watching.
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Maddow. Lawls.

The Iraq war sales pitch was more or less criminal on the part of the US government but Maddow is a partisan hack of the highest order and I wouldn't trust her to shit after judging a chili contest.
 
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Why do we care? The Dems, Obama, and Congress don't care. Not even important to hold an investigation over.

Nothing to see, move along.
 
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Ausm said:
How can it be a spin when they are interviewing the people who were in charge of finding the weapons of mass delusion?
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Ask why the book was written and then why the documentary?

A book is written for a purpose; the same does with a documentary.

Are they trying to find answers or is this another hit piece against the Bush admin?

If it is a hit piece; my statement stands - look for the spin of the Democrats involvement.


Hayabusa Rider said:
Why do we care? The Dems, Obama, and Congress don't care. Not even important to hold an investigation over.

Nothing to see, move along.
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to hold a detailed investigation would expose complicity between both parties and how those that proclaim deception were willing accomplices.
 
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EagleKeeper said:
to hold a detailed investigation would expose complicity between both parties and how those that proclaim deception werre willing accomplices.
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Probably true. Heaven forbid that the Dems should air their dirty laundry. It's better that someone write a book and let them off the hook. Any amount of alleged wrongdoing is worth that.

Damned hypocrites.
 
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I won't be watching it. Why would you want to "RE"hash or re live those depressing times when we had the worst president in US history running the country into the ground????

DEPRESSING!
 
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rachel maddow may be one ugly dude, but theres no question, bush destroyed this country with these unnecessary war and the financial collapse they set up. hes got to be the worst american ever
 
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EagleKeeper said:
Documentary based on a book by people that are avidly against the Republican administration.

It will be an interesting canvas from such a paint brush.

It will be interesting to see the spin they put on the Democratic involvement.
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The book this documentary is based on plus

500 days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars are worth reading.


Bush supporters still can't answer the WMD question in regards to Iraq, without pointing to Syria which is a "theory" about on the level as the 9/11 truther "theory"

We "knew" about chemical weapons because we had receipts from sales of equipment to them.... :rolleyes:


monovillage said:
You mean in this speech by President Clinton in 1998 talking about Iraq's WMDs and the clear evidence of a WMD program?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=S0f5u_0ytUs

about 3:10 and 3:40
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waggy said:
interesting. i wonder if they will mention t he fact that Clinton was championing it before the end of his term?
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Or perhaps the fact that terrorist attacks on civilians toward the very end of Clinton's last term shifted his focus from Saddam Hussein to Bin Laden in such a manner that main personnel in his administration made it a point to warn the incoming Bush team about Bin Laden...

that would be too inconvenient to think about I guess.


People who have been paying attention know about the Aug. 6 2001 brief.... however, that wasn't the only briefing....

http://www.conversationswithgreatmi...s-kurt-eichenwald-secrets-lies-terror-wars-p1

At about 3 minutes and 45 seconds into the video details briefings before the more famous Aug. 06 2001 presidential brief that also warned about an imminent attack are talked about.... if people knew about these other briefings and weren't distracted by mindless media shinies... then Bush defenders would be harder pressed to ignore the rank negligence.
 
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They actually had programs during Clinton's time in office.

They were destroyed or abandoned with the 1st Gulf War.

Bush and Co. re-imagined WMDs simply as a scare tactic with virtually no evidence.

Comparing the validity and importance of what we heard from the Clinton administration to that of Bush Jr. is completely false and ignorant. It must sound good to some of you, but it is childish logic that is laughable. It is really hard to take people seriously who need to rely on obvious crap to make a point.
 
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So what ended up being the point? Installing an unstable "democracy" where oil companies could land big contracts?
 
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jackschmittusa said:
They actually had programs during Clinton's time in office.

They were destroyed or abandoned with the 1st Gulf War.

Bush and Co. re-imagined WMDs simply as a scare tactic with virtually no evidence.

Comparing the validity and importance of what we heard from the Clinton administration to that of Bush Jr. is completely false and ignorant. It must sound good to some of you, but it is childish logic that is laughable. It is really hard to take people seriously who need to rely on obvious crap to make a point.
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The 1st gulf war happened during the term of George H.W. Bush. Then came the 2 terms of Clinton, I think your grip on the timeline is off.
 
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Clinton's policy of containment of Saddam was obviously the correct call.
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Ya think that being able to look back on it from 14 years in the future makes it an easier call?
At least you know that Clinton gave this speech 7 years after Gulf War 1.
 
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monovillage

You are correct. I retract my factually incorrect post. Perhaps I should refrain from watching a TV show explaining string theory and posting simultaneously. Perhaps this old brain doesn't muli-task as well as I remember it doing in years gone by. I will consider this guidance for future endeavors.

A more correct assessment would be that there was sufficient time between the administrations for initial assumptions and faulty reports to be properly evaluated, modified, rejected or replaced. The facts were that most programs were gone after the 1st Gulf War and almost nothing was done to reconstitute them. By Bush Jr.'s time it was clear that the "aluminum tubes" issue was ludicrous, the "yellowcake" story was a sham, the "Saddam supporting AQ and may give them WMD was shown to be ridiculous, clandestine meetings were made up, etc..

So Clinton got the initial intel and assumed it might constitute a threat. Bush ignored the information developed in the interim debunking all of this and instead magnified and embellished the now "imaginary" threat to great proportions.

Clinton said/Bush said is a false equivalency that should be obvious to anyone who is anything more than the most casual observer.
 
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