This just in (well, three days ago): July 2015 the warmest month in history

[Moonbeam]

Sick of hearing about this shit. Nobody is going to do anything other than whine about is so what. Screw it. I'll be dead before anything comes out of "Climate Change" anyway. Piss on it!

You are sick of it because you are a good person who wants the world to be a good place to live and you can't stand the thoughts that human stupidity may keep it from happening and are convinced that is exactly what is going to happen.

Everything is attitude. Others see exactly what you see but have hope. It's just a switch in the brain that is on or off. You have a choice between consciously suffering and shutting down. Go watch a lot of TED and maybe you can rekindle hope.

 

[Paratus]

The people are getting what they want, and it's exactly zero of what the global warming crowd is selling.

Nope nothing to see here.

 

[shira]

Wow...that's not even remotely close to what I said.

You're right. My apologies. I read "terrestrial" versus "satellite" and read "land-surface versus "sea." I'll amend my initial post.

 

[Jaskalas]

The people don't want nuclear, it doesn't appear to be safe. Did you notice Fukushima?

Solar isn't ready, Fusion remains a dream.
Today the answer is either Fission or unchecked CO2.

Do any of the Climate Change proponents think we can wait decades before we even start?

 

[K1052]

Solar isn't ready, Fusion remains a dream.
Today the answer is either Fission or unchecked CO2.

Do any of the Climate Change proponents think we can wait decades before we even start?

The leveled cost of on shore wind is actually less than new nuclear with a fraction of the lead time (a couple years versus a couple decades). Hence it's increasing popularity with utilities.

Storage is an issue that needs to be worked on but it's solvable through existing technology...probably more pumped storage and hydrogen production.

 

[Jaskalas]

Wind has yet to gain my respect, I'd need to see some promo material and statistics that work in its favor.

 

[Mai72]

California is working on it with SB350. I've been reading the pros and cons, but the bottom line seems to be "we don't know how it's going to work, but it's going to have to". The ecologists are saying it's the greatest thing ever, the oil company's say it means gas rationing, and business is concerned that it's going to seriously damage the economy. Everyone has numbers and full color charts to back up their claims (I would never believe anyone presenting information in gray scale).
It will be very interesting to see how it pans out. I don't doubt the goals can be met, I just wonder what the real cost will be.

The problem is people aren't willing to sacrifice until their lives are threatened.

By then it might be too late.

 

[Jaskalas]

The problem is people aren't willing to sacrifice until their lives are threatened.

By then it might be too late.

Also doesn't help that our quality of life (standard of living) is lightyears beyond most of the planet. We're on our lofty heights spewing the most carbon because we're living the good life.

From the age old adage the bigger they are the harder they fall, our sacrifice is going to be HUGE.
How do you tell a democracy of crack addicts that they can't have crack?

 

[K1052]

Also doesn't help that our quality of life (standard of living) is lightyears beyond most of the planet. We're on our lofty heights spewing the most carbon because we're living the good life.

From the age old adage the bigger they are the harder they fall, our sacrifice is going to be HUGE.
How do you tell a democracy of crack addicts that they can't have crack?

There is pretty broad support for clean energy. This is more like giving up soda than kicking crack.

 

[fskimospy]

The people are getting what they want, and it's exactly zero of what the global warming crowd is selling.

How many times do you need to be proven wrong on that before you stop saying it?

 

[Mai72]

Also doesn't help that our quality of life (standard of living) is lightyears beyond most of the planet. We're on our lofty heights spewing the most carbon because we're living the good life.

From the age old adage the bigger they are the harder they fall, our sacrifice is going to be HUGE.
How do you tell a democracy of crack addicts that they can't have crack?

Are you talking about America? I lived in both South Korea and Thailand and the quality of life I enjoyed in both countries was pretty good. Maybe not on par with America. but it was close.

Also, it depends on where you are living in America. Living in Mississippi is going to be a much different experience than living in New Jersey.

 

[Blue_Max]

Also doesn't help that our quality of life (standard of living) is lightyears beyond most of the planet. We're on our lofty heights spewing the most carbon because we're living the good life.

From the age old adage the bigger they are the harder they fall, our sacrifice is going to be HUGE.
How do you tell a democracy of crack addicts that they can't have crack?

That;s a good analogy - humanity quickly became addicted to electric energy and combustion power because of how incredibly useful it is, and how easy it makes everything. Can you just imagine our fat and lazy generation of socialites staring at their dead electronics and weeping, then spending 12 hours farming or labouring in the temperamental weather? Heh... traditional gender roles would come back right quick too because even scrubbing clothes by hand and gutting a chicken for dinner still beats that kind of severe labour!

If we do things the right way NOW, we won't have to give up (or lose) nearly as much.

But... profit. :'(

 

[Moonbeam]

That;s a good analogy - humanity quickly became addicted to electric energy and combustion power because of how incredibly useful it is, and how easy it makes everything. Can you just imagine our fat and lazy generation of socialites staring at their dead electronics and weeping, then spending 12 hours farming or labouring in the temperamental weather? Heh... traditional gender roles would come back right quick too because even scrubbing clothes by hand and gutting a chicken for dinner still beats that kind of severe labour!

If we do things the right way NOW, we won't have to give up (or lose) nearly as much.

But... profit. :'(

Oh look, the asshole was able to work misogyny into global warming

 

[feralkid]

Sick of hearing about this shit. Nobody is going to do anything other than whine about is so what. Screw it. I'll be dead before anything comes out of "Climate Change" anyway. Piss on it!

Lots of things are being done.

Google "U.S. Navy, climate change", for starters, then go from there.

 

[Vic]

So when are you guys going to go off the grid and stop using devices that result in CO2 being added to the atmosphere?

If someone thought there was a cotton shortage, would you argue that they didn't really believe in it unless they went naked?

 

[Vic]

Let me know when your representatives sponsor a bill for the immediate mass production of nuclear power. Until then, your just blowing hot air.

Nuclear isn't the answer. Solar desalination plants are. We need to farm the deserts.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nuclear isn't the answer. Solar desalination plants are. We need to farm the deserts.

http://www.seawatergreenhouse.com/

 

[shady28]

Lots of things are being done.

Google "U.S. Navy, climate change", for starters, then go from there.

Googling "cow farts" and "global warming" will also help.


"White House looks to regulate cow flatulence as part of climate agenda"

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/w...ate-cow-flatulence-as-part-of-climate-agenda/

 

[sandorski]

The excuses for inaction are becoming more ridiculous as time passes.

1) "It's not happening" still gets thrown around from time to time. Despite the constant new evidence to the contrary.

2) "It's just Natural Change" still gets tossed around as if Climatologists are unaware of Natural changes in Climate. Doesn't seem to matter how much contrarian evidence to this argument exists.

3) "It must be done This/My way!" is getting tired and warn out. The way mentioned may or may not be good, but it may or may not be the solution either way. This argument always comes off as picking a solution that few others will support, especially political opponents, so they can feign action on the issue yet criticize their political opponents trying to address the issue. Just an attempt to play politics with the issue and appearing to appeal to both sides of the issue at the same time.

4) "I am not convinced!" at some point one has to realize that being "convinced" might be up to themselves and not others. Especially when the knowledgeable on an issue continue to move forward to the point that your doubts no longer even are addressed anymore.

5) "Your solutions violate my vague Political/Philosophical principles!!!" oops, sorry about that, but some of us really want to address this issue.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh look, the asshole was able to work misogyny into global warming

Well, the wimmins got all uppity and stuff. Should never have given them autonomy.

 

[Blue_Max]

Well, the wimmins got all uppity and stuff. Should never have given them autonomy.

Hey, you want full equality, get your ass into the sewers and coal mines.

 

[thraashman]

Oh look, the asshole was able to work misogyny into global warming

It's almost impressive how he can find a way to insert his misogynistic viewpoint into any topic. It's like nehalem reborn. On the plus side it's pretty easy to know if you're on the right side of an argument, he's on the other.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hey, you want full equality, get your ass into the sewers and coal mines.

 

[Blue_Max]

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45b/140.html
One huge percent of the coal-mining workforce. Plus;
"Often when women work in a coal mine, they aren’t mining at the coal face. They operate the shuttle cars. Even counting these types of 'coal miners', women make up less than 1% of that work force."

http://minesmagazine.com/8749/
Even when they try to sell women in mining, it's always at the executive and boardroom (nice clean, cushy office) level - not labour.

The Most Dangerous Jobs in America:

1. Fishing

2. Logging

3. Pilots / Flight Engineers

4. Structural Iron and Steel Workers

5. Farming / Ranching

6. Garbage Collector

7. Roofing

8. Installers and Repairmen Working on Electrical Power Lines

9. Truck Drivers

10. Coal Mining

What do most of these jobs have in common? Women make up less than 1% of the workers.

Those that ARE willing are rare and wonderful, deserving of all respect.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Can we drop the subject and go back to the topic of Honey-Roasted Earth now? *sizzle*

 

[Jaskalas]

Nuclear isn't the answer. Solar desalination plants are. We need to farm the deserts.

1: Natural Gas
2: Nuclear Fission
3: Solar
4: Fusion.

Nuclear is the stepping stone on a much larger project. Its intended to fill the gap between TODAY, and the second half of the century when Solar can be mature enough to work on a global scale.