This isn't an opinion piece. This appeared in a journal on medical ethics.

[Jhhnn]

They didn't used to. The liberal agenda brought marriage to it's current state.

Funny you'd make that claim, when it isn't true at all-

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...se-in-conservative-states-than-liberal-states

 

[dank69]

And how is that not imposing your morals on others? I have property, with clearly-marked boundaries and no-trespassing signs posted, and someone choses to ignore those, and you're saying I can't shoot them? Can I at least injure them?

I have previously used the condition 'without warning' in this thread. Posted no trespassing signs would qualify as a warning.

However, if you have no trespassing signs posted and a six year old steps on your lawn, do you think you should have the right to blow his head off with a shotgun?

 

[Nebor]

Funny you'd make that claim, when it isn't true at all-

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...se-in-conservative-states-than-liberal-states

Just as I suspected. It's probably due to low iodine content in the water.

 

[dank69]

Liberals seem to have two very definable passions. Raising taxes and killing fetuses.

Conservatives seem to have two very definable passions. Oppressing homosexuals and sucking intern cock.

 

[EXman]

Why does it happen at all? It's not human until it's born right?

Of course it is a dinosaur or something...

Why must you call killing a baby anything other than what it is.

Words like this keep coming up:

potential
Choice
cells

Does that make you feel warm and fuzzy about taking a life.

 

[EXman]

Conservatives seem to have two very definable passions. Oppressing homosexuals and sucking intern cock.

Wow I bet you thougth yourself to be one funny guy!

 

[DCal430]

A clump of cells at conception is potential. If you choose to remove the potential, you are not killing your child.. just what might have become your child. Not much different than sperm or eggs imo.

Yet woman can get abortions up to the 40th week in many states with little or no restrictions.

 

[CitizenKain]

anyone that supports abortions in any case. There are plenty of you.

Its cute that you think that. Do you believe an abortion can be done for medical reasons? I'm going to guess know and I'd be confident in saying you'd want her to die because she deserves it.

 

[umbrella39]

No, I said 100k innocent civilians who did not partake in the war.

You just decided to ignore what I said and make something else up to deal with the self deception.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for anything other than a knee jerk response.

EDIT: As you can see they could have gotten out of harms way if they wanted according to him. Wow, just wow.

 

[umbrella39]

Why hasn't the OP changed the title? It is clearly an opinion piece.

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[umbrella39]

Liberals seem to have two very definable passions. Raising taxes and killing fetuses.

And of course here comes Ron with his weekly troll and shit in P&N. Hopefully the mods will start taking notice of your dumb fuckery and deal with it accordingly. PermaPlonked.

 

[micrometers]

The argument is sound though. A baby is not a realized human being. A baby has no connection to the community, and has no memories and life experiences. We value the cost of loss of life in large part by impact to community. We try to accommodate genetic disabilities, but by all means it is a terrible condition to be in, both to raise and to be, and genetic disabilities should definitely not be encouraged. In any case there are too many people in the world as it is. The real goal should always be prevention of suffering.

 

[cybrsage]

Fuck off and read it. It's up there.

Is this your eloquent way of saying "I cannot support what I say"? It appears to be, since you refuse to actually support what you are saying.

It is a legitimate question, and deserves a legitimate answer. Unfortunately for us, you're not comfortable with legitimate realities.

I did answer it, about 5 times now. Maybe the magic man you mention made it disappear while saying "tada!!". Ever think of that?

I did not claim what you attributed to me, so you were and are still a liar. The really sorrowful thing is that doesn't seem to bother you much. I guess that's conservative "morals" for you.

Wait, you did not claim this:

How can you logically exclude the possibilty that you are being prevented from seeing it by a magical interferer?

Maybe it was this magical man you mentioned...he probably magically posted as you, therefor you never actually posted it, eh? Is that what happened?

 

[Doppel]

I actually find this rather a consistent belief with support of abortion (which I am generally opposed to). Most supporters of abortion subscribe to some developmental milestone that comforts them such that killing the fetus prior to that week is fine and after it's tantamount to murder, but there's no consensus on what that week is. These guys are simply pulling it out further. Would it be murder to kill a premature baby born at 30 weeks (very viable), but not if a 36 was still in the womb?

I wonder if these guys would be ok killing a 6 month old. On the other hand, a 30 year old adult blasted out of his mind on drugs could also be killed because he's not aware at point of death what he's about to lose either. It's really a ghastly way to look at life that these guys have.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Why isn't it within my rights to tell another person what to do with their fetus? Is that what you are asking me?

As for the trespassing situation, what are the local laws and were there signs posted? If you are saying no signs posted just someone walked on my lawn and I blew them away then I think I'll be spending some time in jail soon.

Just to clarify from a legal standpoint....

There are no jurisdictions in the Western world (that I know of), that allow you to shoot a non-violent trespasser in a field. It's usually prosecuted as murder. The posting of signs has no effect.

One exception are military installations.

 

[leper84]

The argument is sound though. A baby is not a realized human being. A baby has no connection to the community, and has no memories and life experiences. We value the cost of loss of life in large part by impact to community. We try to accommodate genetic disabilities, but by all means it is a terrible condition to be in, both to raise and to be, and genetic disabilities should definitely not be encouraged. In any case there are too many people in the world as it is. The real goal should always be prevention of suffering.

No it isn't, it is insane. You are talking about Hitler-style eugenics.

I cannot even put into words how twisted and freakish this frame of mind has to be... I cannot even believe there are people in the world outside of psychopaths and pedophiles of can seriously positively debate a subject like this....

 

[monovillage]

No it isn't, it is insane. You are talking about Hitler-style eugenics.

I cannot even put into words how twisted and freakish this frame of mind has to be... I cannot even believe there are people in the world outside of psychopaths and pedophiles of can seriously positively debate a subject like this....

Welcome to Anandtech Politics and News! I see you've already been greeted by one of our resident lefty/liberal/Democrats. Please enjoy your stay, participate if you are so inclined.

 

[michal1980]

I'm afraid you are confused -- which should be obvious, I suppose, since you're apparently a conservative. Very few of you seem to have any reliable grip on reality.

Abortions do not kill children. Children are born.

Thats just a lie you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

 

[micrometers]

No it isn't, it is insane. You are talking about Hitler-style eugenics.

I cannot even put into words how twisted and freakish this frame of mind has to be... I cannot even believe there are people in the world outside of psychopaths and pedophiles of can seriously positively debate a subject like this....

Hitler has nothing to do with this. True fact: human tribes, I"m talking like Bedouin in the desert, have practiced infanticide throughout the centuries. They didn't do so out of malice, but rather because they could not feed a new member without endangering other members of the tribe.

It is sort of degrees of evil. Do you know what is worse than infanticide? seeing a baby being raised by utterly irresponsible parents. And resource depletion is a real problem in this world. If too many people reproduced, it is very possible that a very severe famine could result, killing a disproportionate amount of people, or wars could erupt, and just overall people suffer.

 

[leper84]

Hitler has nothing to do with this. True fact: human tribes, I"m talking like Bedouin in the desert, have practiced infanticide throughout the centuries. They didn't do so out of malice, but rather because they could not feed a new member without endangering other members of the tribe.

It is sort of degrees of evil. Do you know what is worse than infanticide? seeing a baby being raised by utterly irresponsible parents. And resource depletion is a real problem in this world. If too many people reproduced, it is very possible that a very severe famine could result, killing a disproportionate amount of people, or wars could erupt, and just overall people suffer.

Ignorant savages killed babies thousand of tens of thousands of years ago... that makes it better. Guys used to marry 12 year old girls, we now call them pedophiles and lock their ass up in prison.

I didn't have a very good childhood, parts of it were pretty horrible. But now I'm a happy, well adjusted, law abiding veteran, and a damn good father at the same time. Should I have been murdered way back then cause the odds weren't looking good for me?

Same with famine, over population, lack of resources. There are ways you can solve these problems outside of MURDERING BABIES. So once again, it is a sick, twisted, nazi style eugenics argument. First its the retards and disabled. Then its the gypsies, cause their life is going to suck, right? Then whos next down the slippery slope?

Who's next to murder to solve the worlds problems in your eyes?