This is why the GOP is dead to me...

[vi edit]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/u...publicans.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

In an nutshell....GOP Governor in North Carolina lost election. Took him a month to concede. Now instead of accepting that result the GOP is moving to neuter the power of the governor to appoint cabinet and state positions. And all of this was in light of them considering adding in two new supreme court decisions that a GOP controlled congress would appoint since they lost the conservative balance of through an election too.

And on top of that, this is the same state that got knocked down by federal courts for intentionally gerrymandering precincts to box them into highly favorable conservative voting demographics.

If you want to talk about completely undermining democracy, look no further. They are doing everything they can to fight off the voting will of the people and keep themselves in power. It's about time for a good old fashioned peasant uprising. I don't care what your party line is, you should be abhorred by this behavior.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

We've got a clown for president elect and your upset about North Carolina?

 

[sandorski]

Wow. There seems to be a dire need for a Federal crackdown on Anti-Democratic policies going on in some States. The kind of BS being pulled should be landing asses in Jail.

 

[vi edit]

We've got a clown for president elect and your upset about North Carolina?

There's about 500 topics going over that. He won under the rules as we have them. NC has politicians basically re-writing rules as they go to make them favorable to themselves. It completely undermines votes and democracy. It's a much more sinister and scary thing that is happening.

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/u...publicans.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

In an nutshell....GOP Governor in North Carolina lost election. Took him a month to concede. Now instead of accepting that result the GOP is moving to neuter the power of the governor to appoint cabinet and state positions. And all of this was in light of them considering adding in two new supreme court decisions that a GOP controlled congress would appoint since they lost the conservative balance of through an election too.

And on top of that, this is the same state that got knocked down by federal courts for intentionally gerrymandering precincts to box them into highly favorable conservative voting demographics.

If you want to talk about completely undermining democracy, look no further. They are doing everything they can to fight off the voting will of the people and keep themselves in power. It's about time for a good old fashioned peasant uprising. I don't care what your party line is, you should be abhorred by this behavior.

Sounds a lot like all the lefties screaming Russia is hacking our election, demanding recounts, screaming for Trump to resign before he is sworn in etc ...

Very familiar indeed.

 

[vi edit]

I can see a distinct difference between a foreign entity manipulating the integrity of our election process and an elected body of government basically making up rules as they go. If you see no difference between the two then there is no further discussion to be had.

 

[agent00f]

I can see a distinct difference between a foreign entity manipulating the integrity of our election process and an elected body of government basically making up rules as they go. If you see no difference between the two then there is no further discussion to be had.

You appear to somehow believe anything coherent ever comes out of pcgeek.

 

[pcgeek11]

I can see a distinct difference between a foreign entity manipulating the integrity of our election process and an elected body of government basically making up rules as they go. If you see no difference between the two then there is no further discussion to be had.

I read the link you posted and agree that what they are doing in NC is deplorable.

I also do not think that a foreign entity manipulated anything other than the leaked e-mails and we really don't know anything. Just a lot of wishful thinking on the DNC's part.

 

[IronWing]

Sounds a lot like all the lefties screaming Russia is hacking our election, demanding recounts, screaming for Trump to resign before he is sworn in etc ...

Very familiar indeed.

^^ This is what thread crapping looks like.

 

[dank69]

I read the link you posted and agree that what they are doing in NC is deplorable.

I also do not think that a foreign entity manipulated anything other than the leaked e-mails and we really don't know anything. Just a lot of wishful thinking on the DNC's part.

Nobody gives a shit what you think about Russia's involvement in the election. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

 

[dank69]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/u...publicans.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

In an nutshell....GOP Governor in North Carolina lost election. Took him a month to concede. Now instead of accepting that result the GOP is moving to neuter the power of the governor to appoint cabinet and state positions. And all of this was in light of them considering adding in two new supreme court decisions that a GOP controlled congress would appoint since they lost the conservative balance of through an election too.

And on top of that, this is the same state that got knocked down by federal courts for intentionally gerrymandering precincts to box them into highly favorable conservative voting demographics.

If you want to talk about completely undermining democracy, look no further. They are doing everything they can to fight off the voting will of the people and keep themselves in power. It's about time for a good old fashioned peasant uprising. I don't care what your party line is, you should be abhorred by this behavior.

They also floated the idea of packing their court with a couple extra conservative judges. Basically a perfect encapsulation of the modern day GOP. "Power for me but not for thee." Democrats in power? Top priorities are obstruction, limiting their power, and making sure the GOP gets control again. GOP in power? "Time to all come together for the good of the nation."

 

[nageov3t]

anyone who says both parties are the same needs to be reminded that there's only one political party in the US whose entire electoral strategy is based around fewer people voting, not more.

"So many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome: good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." -Paul Weyrich​

 

[superstition]

^^ This is what thread crapping looks like.

It's called the tu quoque fallacy, used here as a rationalization as well as a vehicle for distraction via emotionalism.

a small aside about such tactics in Internet discourse for those interested:

The tu quoque is the most commonly-used fallacy in instances where the #1 go-to fallacy (basic ad hominem) can't be used or hasn't done the trick. However, when tu quoque fails, ad hominem is frequently used (either for the first time or again).

Generally, the third most prevalent fallacies are apples/oranges and ad populum, depending on the forum. More analytical forums use apples/oranges a lot while more "plain folks" sites like ad populum.

After the fallacies a person uses have been exhausted by effective rebuttal, people tend to up the ante by going to both of the following: ad baculum (e.g. appeals to a moderator to ban someone or a community to shun/mock someone) and basic ad hominem. Certainly, there are cases where someone's behavior is deplorable enough to deserve censorship but ad baculum is frequently used when all other tactics have failed, along with basic ad hominem abusiveness.

 

[LTC8K6]

Sounds like politics as usual to me.

I don't find it surprising or unusual at all.

We go through this all the time.

It's the house we have built here in the US.

Our system is a cesspool, and has been so for decades.

Getting elected has been all about power, and keeping that power, for decades.

It hasn't been about serving the country, or the public, in a long time.

 

[jammix]

If its legit than why not..?

Sounds like politics as usual to me.

I don't find it surprising or unusual at all.

We go through this all the time.

It's the house we have built here in the US.

Our system is a cesspool, and has been so for decades.

Getting elected has been all about power, and keeping that power, for decades.

It hasn't been about serving the country, or the public, in a long time.

thats right. its the game of politics.

 

[superstition]

If its legit than why not..?


thats right. its the game of politics.

Running over grandma is legal. As a result, I have no problem with people running over grandma.

 

[kage69]

Sounds a lot like all the lefties screaming Russia is hacking our election, demanding recounts, screaming for Trump to resign before he is sworn in etc ...

Very familiar indeed.

Actually, it doesn't, not in the least. You're just a partisan moron who supports this party over country bullshit.

 

[superstition]

party over country bullshit.

Both are artificial entities, collections of people. One could argue that a group that is more closely aligned with one's interests is the more sensible to support with more vigor.

Clearly, there are problems with that point of view, since our nationhood is an important factor in many ways (e.g. infrastructure and defense) but it's also problematic to argue that people shouldn't organize themselves into smaller groups focused on their more specific interests.

This goes right to the heart of one of the most basic issues in human life: the society vs. the individual. Neither has, objectively, superiority over the other — leading to a constant state of conflict.

 

[kage69]

They also floated the idea of packing their court with a couple extra conservative judges. Basically a perfect encapsulation of the modern day GOP. "Power for me but not for thee." Democrats in power? Top priorities are obstruction, limiting their power, and making sure the GOP gets control again. GOP in power? "Time to all come together for the good of the nation."

Funny how consistently history doesn't seem to matter to the republicans. They are the ultimate hypocrites.

 

[superstition]

Funny how consistently history doesn't seem to matter to the republicans. They are the ultimate hypocrites.

Enemies seldom try to work hard on behalf of their opponents.

The cutest thing about our "demography", though, is how "both" parties are largely representative of the same 1% money. This makes partisanship particularly odious — since the masses who are ostensibly represented by these "parties" aren't but think they are.

The "two" parties, to a point, do work against each other to gain the money. However, they also operate in cahoots to a degree far further than most anyone in this country realizes. This is perhaps best illustrated by the "mandate" that was delivered on a silver platter to the 1% via the misnamed Obamacare.

The rise of SuperPACs and mostly unlimited mystery money in our system is useful to obscure above fact from the public, while making it even more captured by elite finance.

 

[kage69]

Enemies seldom try to work hard on behalf of their opponents.

I realize some of you really want to turn this thread into something about campaign donations or another fapfest about Hillary, but the fact of the matter is in this case the enemy of this NC republican is democracy. No one is expecting this idiot to work for his opponents, but he is expected to follow the law and not undermine democracy. Pretty straight forward really.

If you're looking for someone to defend the hold Wall Street has on most of D.C, well, keep looking...

 

[superstition]

I realize some of you really want to turn this thread into something about campaign donations or another fapfest about Hillary, but the fact of the matter is in this case the enemy of this NC republican is democracy. No one is expecting this idiot to work for his opponents, but he is expected to follow the law and not undermine democracy. Pretty straight forward really.

If you're looking for someone to defend the hold Wall Street has on most of D.C, well, keep looking...

If there is a point here that rebuts anything I wrote I'm not seeing it.

I do suggest putting away the crystal ball and sticking to what people write, too.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I can see a distinct difference between a foreign entity manipulating the integrity of our election process and an elected body of government basically making up rules as they go. If you see no difference between the two then there is no further discussion to be had.

I'm sure the Republican Party will really miss you, especially since you were such a huge supporter for so long. Here's the Republican Party trying to limit what new regulations and changes that President Obama tries to pass in his last days as President.
http://thehill.com/regulation/306564-house-passes-bill-targeting-midnight-obama-regs

 

[superstition]

I'm sure the Republican Party will really miss you, especially since you were such a huge supporter for so long.

fascinating

 

[imported_tajmahal]

fascinating

It's making fun of the idea that "this is why the GOP is dead to me" as if it was alive and a part of ze's life before this action took place.