This is why the country has been decaying for decades

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MongGrel

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These people who were high born on the ladder and actually cared about the country.

They don't seem to exist anymore, it's more, it's what American values used to be based on, and anyone in the last 60 or 70 years have exploited to rape the country.

Those three Roosevelt's were called Socialists, Communists, etc in their day.

Ken Burns' 'The Roosevelts' Explores An American Family's Demons

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=347276638&m=347398891

http://www.npr.org/2014/09/10/347416175/ken-burns-the-roosevelts-explores-an-american-familys-demons
 
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bradley

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I like the below article on Teddy Roosevelt much better than Ken Burn's idealistic romanticism. In fact, some of the major aspects wrong with the American Govt today are due to the Roosevelt Presidency.


Teddy Roosevelt and His “Big Stick”
President Theodore Roosevelt’s interventionist foreign policy helped transform America into the world’s greatest power. However, he subverted the Constitution in the process.

Describing his foreign policy, Roosevelt quoted a West African proverb: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” As president, Roosevelt used “big stick diplomacy” to spread American values and ideals throughout the world. This unprecedented seizure of executive power upset the balance of government power mandated by the Constitution and set a precedent that still exists today. Examples of Roosevelt’s expansion of executive authority included:

1) Converting the U.S. military into the “policeman of the world”
2) Committing the U.S. military to foreign excursions without congressional consent
3) Negotiating agreements with foreign dignitaries without Senate ratification

Roosevelt believed in the concept favored by the Progressives of his time that government should oversee and manage all human interactions, ignoring constitutional restraint in the interest of “social justice.” This, along with an underlying American sense of manifest destiny, influenced Roosevelt’s view of foreign relations. This led to the perception that any foreign country not embracing the American definitions of freedom and democracy posed a potential threat to U.S. national security.

Throughout his political career, Roosevelt insisted that America “needed” wars. When he was the assistant secretary of the Navy during the Spanish-American War, he dispatched the Pacific naval fleet to the Philippines without his superior’s consent. Roosevelt then resigned his post to lead the “Rough Riders” in the Cuban invasion that led to victory in 1898.

Prior to World War I, Roosevelt showed willingness to go to war with Germany, and even a willingness to see cities such as New York attacked by the Germans because that would force German-Americans into a “patriotic display of anger against Germany.”

The Roosevelt Corollary

In 1902, Roosevelt informed Congress that the “increasing interdependence… of international political and economic relations… insist on the proper policing of the world.” Specifically, Roosevelt targeted Latin America as a region that needed American “protection.”

European powers began threatening Latin American countries such as Venezuela and the Dominican Republic for failing to pay their debts. To Roosevelt, Europe’s insistence that Latin America honor its financial obligations required an aggressive American response.

After winning a second term as president in 1904, Roosevelt declared that only the U.S. had authority to intervene in Latin America for the “best interests” of the Western Hemisphere. He stated that “the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, to the exercise of an international police power.”

While the Monroe Doctrine declared that the U.S. would oppose European nations trying to exert their influence in the Western Hemisphere, Roosevelt extended the doctrine by declaring that only the U.S. could exert influence in the West. To justify this, Roosevelt simply took the Progressive notion that impoverished people could not help themselves and applied it to impoverished Latin American countries. Thus, the U.S. would intervene in Latin American business for their own “good,” and in return Latin America was expected to embrace U.S. values and allow U.S. business to dominate their markets.

This became known as the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, and it was used to justify future U.S. military interventions, not only in Latin American countries but throughout the world.

The rest of the article can be read here:
http://waltercoffey.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/teddy-roosevelt-and-his-big-stick/
 

MongGrel

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I like the below article on Teddy Roosevelt much better than Ken Burn's idealistic romanticism. In fact, some of the major aspects wrong with the American Govt today are due to the Roosevelt Presidency.


Teddy Roosevelt and His “Big Stick”
President Theodore Roosevelt’s interventionist foreign policy helped transform America into the world’s greatest power. However, he subverted the Constitution in the process.



The rest of the article can be read here:
http://waltercoffey.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/teddy-roosevelt-and-his-big-stick/

To each his own to, paraphrase another.
 

Jaskalas

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These people who were high born on the ladder and actually cared about the country.

I believe they could do that because there wasn't group-think like we have today. National communication was limited, so local interests and ideas could still flourish and not be stamped out by a greedy conglomeration of how "it should be".

Hearts are found in men, chains are found in nations.

Fear for a planet run by top down nations, eliminating the hearts of men.
 

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Nothing can be understood unless one understands unconscious motivation, and very very few are willing to look at that because nobody wants to discover that what motivates us all is the need to deny we feel, each of us, like the worst person inthe world, and our I,nerve reality isn't based on the obvious fact we can't all be the worst, because what we feel is our real inner truth.
 

BoberFett

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Nothing can be understood unless one understands unconscious motivation, and very very few are willing to look at that because nobody wants to discover that what motivates us all is the need to deny we feel, each of us, like the worst person inthe world, and our I,nerve reality isn't based on the obvious fact we can't all be the worst, because what we feel is our real inner truth.

You certainly wouldn't want these damaged people with the inability to understand their own motivation to be running the world, would you?

Whoops, too late.
 

Sonikku

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I like the below article on Teddy Roosevelt much better than Ken Burn's idealistic romanticism. In fact, some of the major aspects wrong with the American Govt today are due to the Roosevelt Presidency.


Teddy Roosevelt and His “Big Stick”
President Theodore Roosevelt’s interventionist foreign policy helped transform America into the world’s greatest power. However, he subverted the Constitution in the process.

Figures those Democrats the Roosevelt's would blatantly ignore the constitution, marginalize the senate and dramatically increase the power of the executive office. Maybe had Americans been smart enough to put a Repub in instead, they would have shrunk the role of government. Not expand it.
 

bradley

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Well, wad'da ya know....Roosevelt was a fascist neocon imperialist hegemonist?

Pretty much. The US basically took over Europe’s imperialist place by force. Thanks to Teddy Roosevelt, it was under his Administration the monikers of "world's policeman" and "world's bully" were established.

The Roosevelt Corollary, as an *executive order* extension (and abandonment) of the Monroe Doctrine, commanded the US militarily - by force - to keep Europe out of Latin America. This corollary was then used to justify US interventionism in: Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

These military interventions (without any clear threat to the US) were later admonished by future Presidents, including Coolidge and thusly Hoover’s apologetic troop withdrawals and good will tours across Latin countries, which had grown to despise US hegemony. And who could blame them? Except the damage had already been done.

Teddy Roosevelt was allowed to ignore Congress and subvert the US Constitution by riding a wave of public and media popularity. Sound familiar? He weakened our form of constitutional government by giving the executive branch supreme authority over foreign policy, which continues till this very minute in Iraq and Syria.

Although I do have reservations about any of this information getting inclusion in the official Ken Burns’ one-sided glorified version.
 
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