This is why I shoot .45 ACP now

[randalee]

Taurus 24x7 in 9mm -- 4" barrel

Springfield XD .45 -- 5" barrel (a bit of a cheat here...)

Both are great guns, I just shoot the XD much better. I guess a REAL test would be to find an XD in 9mm with a tactical (5") barrel like the .45...

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: randalee
Anyone else do much shooting?

I have a Glock 17 (2nd Gen - about 12 years old) and a Sig P220 (about 2 years old). For people who don't know guns, the Glock is a 9mm and the Sig is a .45 ACP pistol. I shoot the glock much better than I shoot the Sig. I love the Sig though as it is just one bad ass gun.

 

[kingtas]

I know I am far more accurate with my 9MM then my .357. But that has to do with grips and the trigger pull.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: randalee
Taurus 24x7 in 9mm -- 4" barrel

Springfield XD .45 -- 5" barrel (a bit of a cheat here...)

Both are great guns, I just shoot the XD much better. I guess a REAL test would be to find an XD in 9mm with a tactical (5") barrel like the .45...

The automatics from Taurus have not been really good guns, from my experience anyway.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: randalee
Same stance, a standard Weaver stance, and rate of fire was pretty much the same. As soon as I was able to re-acquire the target, I fired again. So a slow, but steady pace. One shot every 1-2 seconds. Guns are close in weight -- the .45 has an extra inch of barrel (minor cheat there). From just my general "feeling" while shooting, it's MUCH more comfortable to shoot the .45. The recoil is not quite as "snappy" and violent. More of a slow push. I realize velocity is MUCH different on these rounds, but I certainly do shoot the .45 better.

I honestly don't believe the .45 is just more accurate in general -- I think they are both accurate rounds. I just shoot one better than the other.

124 grain HPs in the 9mm and 230 grain HPs in the .45 ACP.

why r u shooting hollowpoints at the range?

and a 45caliber has LESS recoil than a 9mm?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[fuzzymitx]

You shoot HP at the range to be sure that YOUR GUN CAN HANDLE THEM!!!!

The last thing you want is to load up your weapon with XXX brand ammo and have to use it to save yours or a love ones life and find out that your gun doesn't eat that ammo very well.

I'm not joking.... I put Hydra Shock in my guns and I sure as heck made sure each gun shot 200 rounds w/o any failures at the range first.....

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: JEDI
why r u shooting hollowpoints at the range?

and a 45caliber has LESS recoil than a 9mm?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

You practice with the ammo you use in a real situation.

 

[kingtas]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: randalee
Taurus 24x7 in 9mm -- 4" barrel

Springfield XD .45 -- 5" barrel (a bit of a cheat here...)

Both are great guns, I just shoot the XD much better. I guess a REAL test would be to find an XD in 9mm with a tactical (5") barrel like the .45...

The automatics from Taurus have not been really good guns, from my experience anyway.

I have had several Taurus 9MM in the past, with fixed sights and adjustable, and never had a problem with them. I could hit a tennis ball 20-30 yards, no problem.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: kingtas

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: randalee
Taurus 24x7 in 9mm -- 4" barrel

Springfield XD .45 -- 5" barrel (a bit of a cheat here...)

Both are great guns, I just shoot the XD much better. I guess a REAL test would be to find an XD in 9mm with a tactical (5") barrel like the .45...

The automatics from Taurus have not been really good guns, from my experience anyway.

I have had several Taurus 9MM in the past, with fixed sights and adjustable, and never had a problem with them. I could hit a tennis ball 20-30 yards, no problem.

Maybe its just me then or the guns from them I've shot.

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: JEDI
why r u shooting hollowpoints at the range?
and a 45caliber has LESS recoil than a 9mm?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Just like the others mentioned, I was testing feed reliability in the guns -- making sure the HPs do their job in MY gun.

It's all about PERCEIVED recoil. The .45 may well have more FORCE in the recoil department, but it doesn't FEEL like it. The .45s were around 17,000 psi and 800 fps speed -- quite a low-pressure round compared to 9mm at around 28,000 psi and 1100 fps. In MY hands, the 9mm feels more SNAPPY, a QUICK, yet SHARP recoil. The .45 is a slow, but HEAVY PUSH when it recoils. Again, this is just MY perception -- yours may be different when shooting the same guns.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Babbles
As is my understanding the 45 APC is considered to be far more accurate than a 9mm.

That's a load of horse sh!t.

I was just remembering something some old guys were talking to me about down at the range, who do competitive pistol shooting and that the .45 ACP is very much used because of that characteristic. My understanding my indeed be incorrect, but:

The .45 ACP 230g FMJ is possessed of great inherent accuracy.

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Today most of the U.S. military uses the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge, but the accuracy of the .45 ACP cartridge has ensured its continued popularity with large caliber sport shooters

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The 1911 is one of the most accurate autoloaders ever built. The original government issue 1911s were built with generous tolerances in order to keep them functioning in combat conditions. Hence, they were reasonably accurate, but not outstanding. Gunsmiths learned to tune the military surplus guns for greater accuracy by tightening the slides and adding match grade barrels and bushings. Newer incarnations of the 1911 are built to tighter tolerances, yielding pistols with outstanding accuracy.

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Maybe it's all crap, or maybe you shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The .45 ACP 230g FMJ is possessed of great inherent accuracy.

Oh, I'm sorry...I see that someone made a generalization about one particular caliber. I can see how you extrapolated from that what he really meant was that it was inherently more accurate than other calibers...:roll:

Today most of the U.S. military uses the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge, but the accuracy of the .45 ACP cartridge has ensured its continued popularity with large caliber sport shooters

I don't see anything in there that says the .45 is more accurate than the 9mm. If it were, then why would we have switched to a less accurate caliber for our military? Just to give them a challenge? :roll:

The 1911 is one of the most accurate autoloaders ever built. The original government issue 1911s were built with generous tolerances in order to keep them functioning in combat conditions. Hence, they were reasonably accurate, but not outstanding. Gunsmiths learned to tune the military surplus guns for greater accuracy by tightening the slides and adding match grade barrels and bushings. Newer incarnations of the 1911 are built to tighter tolerances, yielding pistols with outstanding accuracy.

This is talking about one specific gun. The 1911...

Also, saying a gun is one of the most accurate autoloaders ever built is a pretty broad statement and one that doesn't require any proof to make. Is the 1911 accurate? I'm sure many of them are. Is it more accurate than a Glock 9mm? No. I'd say you can find copies of each that may or may not be more accurate than the other. Again, there is nothing here that says the .45 is more accurate than the 9mm.

Maybe it's all crap, or maybe you shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Maybe it's you who shouldn't jump to conclusions. You've done nothing to prove that ridiculous claim you made earlier.

 

[randalee]

I don't think one is inherently more accurate than the other. They are both fine rounds, and both shoot fine in the hands of good shooters. This was just a non-scientific test of how well I was able to shoot my two firearms side-by-side. Part of why we use 9mm is because it's a NATO standardized round, so many of our allies and us can use the same ammunition.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: randalee
Taurus 24x7 in 9mm -- 4" barrel

Springfield XD .45 -- 5" barrel (a bit of a cheat here...)

Both are great guns, I just shoot the XD much better. I guess a REAL test would be to find an XD in 9mm with a tactical (5") barrel like the .45...

There's your difference right there. The gun with a longer barrel is always going to be easier to shoot accurately.

In all honesty, you aren't going to get any greater accuracy from one caliber to another all other things being equal. In fact, muzzle velocity from a .45 ACP is quite a bit less than a 9mm so as distance increases the .45 will drop more.

 

[0roo0roo]

too much counterstrike lol who's gonna be hunting u? u make jack bauer angry?

 

[JDMnAR1]

Unless I missed it, no one has mentioned differences in trigger break being a potential contributing factor to your accuracy differences.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Different guns, different ammo... you are not even comparing fruit to fruit.

There are 9mm that shoot sub 2" groups at 50 yards with match grade ammo, sub 2" at 25 yards with crapy ammo...my friend has one such gun.

I've seen him shoot sub 2" groups at 25 yards on more then one occassion.

He also has a .40 that shoots just as well.