This is why I refuse to live in Philly

LuckyTaxi

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Psycho goes nuts on passenger on subway

I moved to the burbs because of situations like this. I watched the video last evening while talking on the phone w/ my gf who happens to take the subway to work!

As the SEPTA subway train rocked forward, a thirty-something guy leaned over near the doorway and gently planted a kiss on the little boy at his side.

When the train neared the Fairmount Avenue stop shortly after midnight on Thursday, the man reached out like an adoring parent and directed the 3- or 4-year-old tyke to an open seat.

Then he flew into a monstrous rage.

Without uttering a word, police said, the unidentified man whipped out a double-claw hammer and began bludgeoning a 20-year-old man who was dozing off in his seat.

For five long minutes, SEPTA surveillance cameras captured the deranged attacker - who was still on the loose late last night- digging his hammer into the man's head and neck.

Through it all, disgusted investigators said, at least 10 passengers stood by and did nothing as the random attack moved from the train to the platform, when the hammer-wielding maniac tried to push his victim down onto the train tracks.

When the beating was finished and the suspect fled with the little boy, the victim staggered back onto the train, bloodied, confused and alone, said Detective Kenneth Roach, of Central Detectives.

And even then, no one tried to help him.

"Somebody should have helped this guy," Roach said. "I understand the [other] guy had a hammer, but they outnumbered him at least 10 to one."

Miraculously, the victim took the subway up to Temple University Hospital, received several staples and sutures and was discharged, Roach said.

The motive remains a mystery.

"I'm baffled," Roach said. "He had no reason to do that. It was unprovoked. The victim was just going home from work, minding his own business, listening to his iPod."

Roach said that the victim, whose name was not released, boarded the subway at City Hall.

The attacker - a bearded, stocky, 5-foot-9-inch black man who wore a yellow shirt and black pants - also got on at City Hall, with a youngster who may or may not be his child.

The victim and the hammer-toting psychopath never exchanged a word or a glance, Roach said.

"According to the victim, there was no contact or verbal discussion," he said. "They didn't even notice each other."

The hammer was hidden in a black-and-yellow book bag that the attacker clutched throughout the short subway ride.

The little boy dashed off the train with the other passengers during the brutal beat-down, but was later seen running back on to recover the book bag. The boy and the suspect are seen on camera leaving together.
 

LuckyTaxi

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
yeah we're all like that in philly

I didnt say all philadelphians, but damn one can't take public transportation without having to worry about stupid sh!t like this. Remember a few months ago when some HS kids would randomly attack people? That happened to some of my friends a few years ago and it's scary. It's ridiculous and I'm not surprised Philly gets the reputation it does.
 

Connoisseur

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I think it disgusts me so much more that others did nothing. One crazy I can understand. That can happen anywhere, anytime. But a bunch of people stood by and did NOTHING? That makes me sick to my stomach and sad for humanity. Not saying that's a Philly only mentality... that'll probably happen anywhere else in the US.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Connoisseur
I think it disgusts me so much more that others did nothing. One crazy I can understand. That can happen anywhere, anytime. But a bunch of people stood by and did NOTHING? That makes me sick to my stomach and sad for humanity. Not saying that's a Philly only mentality... that'll probably happen anywhere else in the US.

Pussification of America. If they would have tried to stop him and god forbid injure him, they might have been sued.
 

LuckyTaxi

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Guys - let's play devil's advocate. I have a license to carry and would definitely be carrying if I was traveling on the subways late at night in Philly.
What would happened if I had used my gun? Would I have gotten in trouble if i shot the mofo?
 

clamum

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Jesus. Glad the victim is ok. How can people not help? :|

Reminds me of that bus incident in Canada not too long ago.
 

Connoisseur

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Originally posted by: LuckyTaxi
Guys - let's play devil's advocate. I have a license to carry and would definitely be carrying if I was traveling on the subways late at night in Philly.
What would happened if I had used my gun? Would I have gotten in trouble if i shot the mofo?

Please. Let's not make this a a pro/anti-gun fight. If those people had guns, they'd still most likely be doing nothing. Their fear for personal safety and wish to not be hassled overrode their willingness to assist a person in trouble. Textbook definition of cowardice and selfishness.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Connoisseur
I think it disgusts me so much more that others did nothing. One crazy I can understand. That can happen anywhere, anytime. But a bunch of people stood by and did NOTHING? That makes me sick to my stomach and sad for humanity. Not saying that's a Philly only mentality... that'll probably happen anywhere else in the US.

Pussification of America. If they would have tried to stop him and god forbid injure him, they might have been sued.

it has nothing to do with the "Pussification of America." it just the Bystander Effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

happens all over the world
 

davestar

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you're right to not want to live in Philly (or any big city) for reasons like this. in fact, you probably shouldn't leave your house at all because you can't control what's happening out in the big scary world out there. time to pad up the walls, tape off all the electrical outlets, and nail planks over all your doors and windows.
 

Spineshank

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What makes it worse is the Philly rejects come up here to Reading..and Reading scares me more than Philly.
 

ScottyB

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From personal experience, I think people in the city are less likely to help others in need. When I was in DC this summer, I asked several people for directions and they completely ignored me. One guy even started to run away a bit. I haven't experienced that kind of silliness outside of the city.
 

mooseracing

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Connoisseur
I think it disgusts me so much more that others did nothing. One crazy I can understand. That can happen anywhere, anytime. But a bunch of people stood by and did NOTHING? That makes me sick to my stomach and sad for humanity. Not saying that's a Philly only mentality... that'll probably happen anywhere else in the US.

Pussification of America. If they would have tried to stop him and god forbid injure him, they might have been sued.

it has nothing to do with the "Pussification of America." it just the Bystander Effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

happens all over the world

It's pussification....If I didn't do anything I would not be able to forget it, if I at least tried to help and got hurt I wouldn't be filled with regret.

Now if I fired my gun and stopped the guy I would have a 99.9% chance of being sued by the guy I shot and by the pussy assed by standers for injuring their hearing and shooting a gun to close to them.
 

evident

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philadelphia sucks. although there are some hotspots and great sports teams here, its not safe at all to walk around in at night with the exception of manayunk and old city. im sick of this city
 

OdiN

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If I lived there I would:

1 - Not sleep EVER on a subway or mass transit of any type.
2 - Carry a gun.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: LuckyTaxi
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
yeah we're all like that in philly

I didnt say all philadelphians, but damn one can't take public transportation without having to worry about stupid sh!t like this. Remember a few months ago when some HS kids would randomly attack people? That happened to some of my friends a few years ago and it's scary. It's ridiculous and I'm not surprised Philly gets the reputation it does.

Same thing happened to me when I was in college. Since then I think I've had about 6 incidents of being harrassed/attacked/almost attacked by "those people"
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: Connoisseur
Originally posted by: LuckyTaxi
Guys - let's play devil's advocate. I have a license to carry and would definitely be carrying if I was traveling on the subways late at night in Philly.
What would happened if I had used my gun? Would I have gotten in trouble if i shot the mofo?

Please. Let's not make this a a pro/anti-gun fight. If those people had guns, they'd still most likely be doing nothing. Their fear for personal safety and wish to not be hassled overrode their willingness to assist a person in trouble. Textbook definition of cowardice and selfishness.

Wrong... if they had a gun, they would do something. Without a gun, few people want to risk getting killed especially if they don't know who will help them - everyone thinks worst case which is themselves against the hammer wielding madman.




 

AmpedSilence

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YAY! I ride SEPTA in and out of the city every day. 40 minutes each way and i often doze off. I think I might need to change that....
 
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Originally posted by: LuckyTaxi
Guys - let's play devil's advocate. I have a license to carry and would definitely be carrying if I was traveling on the subways late at night in Philly.
What would happened if I had used my gun? Would I have gotten in trouble if i shot the mofo?

I don't know the laws in Pennsilvania, but in Texas it would be justified.