This is why I love unions *Updated 8/22*

[Ns1]

China and India, both with ~1.4 billion a pop, pump out more "skilled" labor than all of North America in years. But they can't "think outside the box", you say? Don't worry, western companies appear to be sending over consultants to erase that problem already.

That's me! Lol

 

[Imp]

That's me! Lol

I didn't want to name names, but aye!

Don't worry, I've been thinking of heading over to Asia to help our current/future overlords with their English to get further.

 

[Sonikku]

Every time I hear about a union in the media it's always either violent or disruptive to the longevity of the business at hand. I think we can all conclude at this point that they should just be outlawed, with the power rightfully consolidated back into the hands of the well meaning Job Creators that are trying to take care of us.

 

[Mixolydian]

Dont have to do shit, get a pay raise, cant be fired, whats not to love?

If any of those things were true, it'd be great. But they're not.

 

[Mixolydian]

Every time I hear about a union in the media it's always either violent or disruptive to the longevity of the business at hand.

That's just it. The media never spreads *good* news about a group of people, only bad.

 

[zerocool84]

I'm gonna pretend to know you for a moment, so tell me if I'm wrong. You've either never been poor (no meaningful savings, plus debt, plus earning less than ten an hour, while living alone or with one or a few other people with similar earning capacity), or you're so indoctrinated into that line of political thought that you're immune to all opposing evidence and arguments.

$20 per hour at 40 hours with only two weeks off per year is 40k, and that's pre-tax. A person can live comfortably but modestly on that income. $10/hr is 20k, pre-tax. Unless they have several room mates, nobody can live on 20k without at least occasional assistance (suckin' on a teat) from either family or government. Even with several room mates, on $20k it's basically impossible to save, so all it takes is one disaster (injury, car wreck, whatever) and that person is completely fucked unless they can fall back on family or government.

Bottom line: unless you think people "deserve" to be dependent on handouts to survive, people "deserve" $10-15/hr wages at a minimum. Business leaders get off on maximizing profits so we can all rest easy knowing that nobody would be getting paid that much to flip burgers, at least not for very long. Those positions would be automated, consolidated, or whatever it would take to make them profitable. Unemployment might rise for a time but, as conservatives just love to point out, the market is self-correcting over the long term.

That's the problem, people thinking that minimum wage jobs are long term jobs and should be able to support the family on it. Sorry but that's not the real world. Raise minimum wage and everything else will go up, raising minimum wage Magically doesn't solve the issue.

 

[Ruptga]

No, the problem and unfortunate reality is that many grown-ass adults do raise families on or just above minimum wage because that's all that's available. The awful small town (and everything around it for a solid fifty miles) I grew up in is that way, top to bottom. You're seriously a high-roller there if you earn 16/hour.

You seem to have a very clear idea of what "minimum wage work" entails, but I'm telling you that there are entire industries that pay all their workers peanuts. I'm talking about agriculture and manufacturing jobs too, wholesome blue-collar work, they pay 11/hr (22k/year) if you're lucky. If minimum wage jobs were limited to the fast food industry, that would be one thing, but they're not, not even close.

 

[Imp]

That's the problem, people thinking that minimum wage jobs are long term jobs and should be able to support the family on it. Sorry but that's not the real world. Raise minimum wage and everything else will go up, raising minimum wage Magically doesn't solve the issue.

The "real world" is a ton of people working multiple minimum wage part-time jobs supporting families...

The "real world" consists of the majority of the world's population living in developing countries doing shit jobs in relative poverty for "minimum wage".

 

[BoberFett]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey...ve-been-told-about-the-minimum-wage-is-false/

 

[Sinsear]

I love my union too.

Awesome salary, free healthcare, pension after 20 years, and tons of hate from jealous losers who wish they had it that good.

 

[Kneedragger]

That's just it. The media never spreads *good* news about a group of people, only bad.

Exactly. People complain how the media twist facts and leave certain ones out but always believed the negative Union news.

Too bad they don't mention when the Unions give back to their community, volunteer or put on a fundraiser for a cause..

 

[zerocool84]

I love my union too.

Awesome salary, free healthcare, pension after 20 years, and tons of hate from jealous losers who wish they had it that good.

Because we pay for that crap. Unions are just for profit now.

 

[Mixolydian]

I love my union too.

Awesome salary, free healthcare, pension after 20 years, and tons of hate from jealous losers who wish they had it that good.

Exactly.

 

[shortylickens]

Too bad they don't act like that in Texas. Running and threatening to "bash my pretty face in" would result in my legally being able to get a "good shoot".

Also note that PETA never attacks bikers in leather.
Only little old ladies wearing 60 year old fur coats.