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Question This is why I hate Apple products in general.

nOOky

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The wife has an ipad 2 that has sat in a drawer new and unused for a couple years. It came with a piece of veterinary equipment, but was not needed to function. Some technician of hers set up an Apple id account or something for it when it was new. It was recently discovered, so she brought it home and I thought we could make some use of it. The original computer it was set up with is long gone, and no one remembers the passwords or anything. So rather than just be able to reset it, we have a paperweight. Seriously, I understand security is important, but if not having a password renders an expensive device into a brick, wtf good is it?

She bought a new ipad for another piece of equipment she is purchasing. My question is does Apple still work the same way? We don't not want itunes or any of that crap on her server, we just want to put the software app on it and use the damn thing without a password...
 

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The wife has an ipad 2 that has sat in a drawer new and unused for a couple years. It came with a piece of veterinary equipment, but was not needed to function. Some technician of hers set up an Apple id account or something for it when it was new. It was recently discovered, so she brought it home and I thought we could make some use of it. The original computer it was set up with is long gone, and no one remembers the passwords or anything. So rather than just be able to reset it, we have a paperweight. Seriously, I understand security is important, but if not having a password renders an expensive device into a brick, wtf good is it?

She bought a new ipad for another piece of equipment she is purchasing. My question is does Apple still work the same way? We don't not want itunes or any of that crap on her server, we just want to put the software app on it and use the damn thing without a password...
If anyone could take an iDevice and bypass the original user's password, then it wouldn't be very good security, now would it?

Yes, Apple still works the same way (in the sense that if you connect it to an Apple ID and then DON'T turn off Find My iPhone then the device will be iCloud locked to the account you used to set it up.).

You'll need to connect it to an Apple ID in order to access the app store and download things. You DO NOT need iTunes in order to use iDevices, and haven't had to use it for years. You are able to use iDevices without passcodes, but doing so will turn off certain features (TouchID, password saving, CC saving, etc.).
 

Ichinisan

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The security is the only reason I'm comfortable buying expensive mobile devices. I want it to be basically worthless to a thief.
 
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SamQuint

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If you have the original receipt you can take it into an Apple store and they can bypass the account lock on the device. I was able to do this.
 
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nOOky

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I don't have a receipt for the iPad itself for it, but I should be able to prove it came with a piece of equipment via the invoice or something. I may try that thanks.
 

nOOky

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I had time after work today so I finally got it working. Downloaded the iTunes app, got it to recognize the iPad, restored and updated it. Fortunately it showed enough characters of the recovery email that I was able to reset the password. I was trying a different Apple id up until now. Now that it's working and since it has Bluetooth, I may try making it a music streaming device for the garage and for Youtube videos etc. while I'm working on stuff.

We have a new iPad 7th gen. and it is much nicer than this, but it is for the wife's business so all's I had to do was set it up and install her software. If only I could add more storage on the old one!
 

Staples

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iPad 2 is ancient. Even if it does work, your OS is probably 5 years old and it must be slow slow slow.
 

Muadib

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iPad 2 is ancient. Even if it does work, your OS is probably 5 years old and it must be slow slow slow.
My wife has an iPad2, and I must say it held up well. Is it as fast as my iPad pro, no it's not. However it still works well, and she has no desire to replace it.
I use it every now and then, and don't find it slow at all.
 

nOOky

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I think the OS is 9.3.5? I'm at work now. It does seem a bit slow, but for what I'll use it for it will be fine. I can definitely tell the display pixel density is lower than even my old Kindle Fire HD. It's basically brand new so I'm just excited to get it up and running it was more of a project than an actual need, I can always buy a new cheap tablet that's better.
 

Staples

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On a related note, I dug out a Macbook Pro from 2009. C2D, 8GB, SSD so should run modern software just fine but Apple does not support it anymore so the latest OS I can install is 4 years old. That would not be a huge problem but I can't install any software from the App Store because of it. I can install some software that you download from their website like Firefox and Steam but Office and this video editing program I use tell me that my OS is too old.

Apple has the worst built in obsolescence scheme.
 

Steltek

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On a related note, I dug out a Macbook Pro from 2009. C2D, 8GB, SSD so should run modern software just fine but Apple does not support it anymore so the latest OS I can install is 4 years old. That would not be a huge problem but I can't install any software from the App Store because of it. I can install some software that you download from their website like Firefox and Steam but Office and this video editing program I use tell me that my OS is too old.

Apple has the worst built in obsolescence scheme.
From what I understand, there are workarounds and patches you can use to install Catalina on your machine. Of course, YMMV if it allows you to run the software that you need given that some features of software may not work well without the hardware support provided by newer Macs.


Of course, you could commit the ultimate heresy and risk possible excommunication from the Cult of Apple by installing Windows on it...
 

Staples

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Of course, you could commit the ultimate heresy and risk possible excommunication from the Cult of Apple by installing Windows on it...
The ultimate price haha.
I've used Windows on desktops my whole life and use them most of the time. I am comfortable with either OS.

The biggest draw to Mac anything was that if you wanted a great laptop 6+ years ago, the only option was a Macbook Pro. There was no Windows laptop that was in the same ballpark hardware wise. Now the Surface laptop, Dell XPS and maybe some others are nearly equal in design and ergonomics.

Boot Camp of El Capitan says it can set up a Windows 7 partition. Windows 7 is in the same boat as El Capitan. Do you know if I can install Windows 10?
 

Steltek

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I think there was a Boot Camp update to install Win10 on El Capitan at the time of the the Win10 release but Apple gimped it by design to only work on, you guessed it, recent Macs (2012 or later mostly).

There was a workaround, but I don't know if it still works:


It just involves editing some Boot Camp files, so it should be relatively safe (i.e. no anonymous patches, etc) and easy to undo.

If your current Win7 is activated, you should even be able to use the Win7 key for a clean free upgrade install to Win10. Just create an install media using the Windows Media Creation Tool.

There is apparently a requirement to have an optical drive to install Windows in Boot Camp. If your laptop doesn't have one, you might still be able to create a USB installer and do the following workaround to see if it still works (again, just editing some Boot Camp files so easy to undo if you back up the original files):


The way I look at it, as long as you do a good backup beforehand, what do you have to loose by trying? A C2D with 8GB of memory is plenty powerful enough to run Win10.
 
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