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Taken from Time.com
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Rebuilding Afghanistan, One Bridge At a Time

TIME takes a ride with the "Chiclets", one of a number of small, heavily-armed U.S. humanitarian forces that is helping to restore the country as part of America's anti-terror campaign.

Saturday, Nov. 30, 2002
The sun is still low over the jagged Koh-I-Baba range when Chiclet-5 pulls out of the U.S. Army outpost above Bamiyan, in Afghanistan's central highlands. It is a small force: the six Chiclet team members, an Afghan translator, five regular Army troops along for backup and a two members of the local tribal militia. What they lack in numbers they more than make up for firepower: M-16s, an M-60 machinegun, 9 mm pistols, grenades, and radios that can call in air support in minutes.

Chiclets (the name comes from CHLCs, or "Coalition Humanitarian Liason Cells") are the hot item in America's anti-terrorism campaign in Afghanistan today. Self-described as the "Peace Corps with guns," they carry out high-impact aid missions the locals want and the U.N. and NGOs have somehow missed. Thirteen teams operate across the country right now, with more than 300 projects in the works ranging from building roads and bridges to supplying schools. Chiclet-5 is a typical team: five of its members are civilians, reservists out of the Knoxville-based 489th Civil Affairs Battalion, while the sixth is a regular Army communications specialist. The team's leader is Lt. Col. Roger Walker, a wry and thoughtful-looking food company executive from Valdosta, Georgia with a permanent case of sunburn.

First stop today is a village school in the hills above Bamiyan. The Taliban virtually destroyed the building during their occupation of the area; the local people, members of the Hazara tribe, were particular targets of persecution by the mostly-Pashtun Talibs. The Chiclets have already repaired and refurnished the school with chairs and desks, and now they have returned with nearly four hundred pounds of classroom supplies. When their military budget failed to cover the materials, team members asked for help from relatives back in the U.S. A Methodist Church in Texas raised the necessary money, bought the notebooks, paper, pens, pencils, and art supplies, and mailed them to Afghanistan via the A.P.O. Now four hundred children, many orphaned survivors of Taliban ethnic cleansing, come forward one by one to get their armloads of treasure. Most smile shyly; some snatch their supplies and run away, as if they are afraid they won't get to keep them. A regular Army soldier from upstate New York, Spec. Alison Kastner, tears up: "I'd just like to hold every one of them," she says. "So would I," Col. Walker replies gruffly.

Next stop: the building of a new bridge over the Fuladi River, at the east end of Bamiyan's ramshackle bazaar. When completed it will help revive Bamiyan's war-shattered economy, and Col. Walker is also using the project to provide employment for some of the dirt-poor landless refugees camped on a mesa north of town. But there is trouble: only a half-dozen men are working, thigh-deep in the cold water, shoveling out foundations for the concrete bridge abutments.

The local contractor tells Col. Walker that he offered jobs to the refugees on the mesa but had no takers. The Colonel's face tightens. "Well, if they don't want to work, I guess I can't make 'em," he scowls. "Okay, let's saddle up!" he yells to his team.

The Chiclets head straight for the refugee encampment on the mesa. These people are the subject of one of Col. Walker's personal crusades. They were relocated to this dusty, windswept plateau, two miles from the nearest water, by a European NGO which promised to build them housing here. Since then they have languished in patchwork tents, neglected and forgotten. If Walker hadn't come up with a two month supply of wheat this summer, they would have starved to death by now. The Chiclets are trying to arrange permanent housing for them before winter hits; just in case, Col. Walker is having stoves made out of scrap metal to heat the tents.

Now the Colonel is here to sort out why none of the camp's men are working on the bridge, earning money to help their families. He quickly learns that the contractor is hiring his own relatives and cronies for the job, and that when the men from the camp applied to work there they were turned away. He looks over the anxious pleading faces of the ragged famished men, and then he turns to his constant companion, Staff Sgt, Groce, who already has notepad and pencil ready.

"Make a note: first thing tomorrow morning we go back to the bridge and talk to that contractor." He turns to the Afghan translator: "Daoud, tell them if they go down to the bridge tomorrow afternoon there'll be work for them. And tell them we're going to be building more bridges, and they'll be the first to be hired on all of them." There is a loud chorus of thank-yous, blessings, but Col. Walker is already heading for his SUV. "Okay, let's saddle up!"

The afternoon is more of the same. A long bumpy drive up the Fuladi Valley to another damaged school. An impromptu visit to a potato farmer, who proudly tells the Colonel his harvest was the best in years. Three more bridges, all of them recently collapsed and needing urgent replacement. A sit-down meeting with an earnest young Hazara who wants to know if the Chiclets can help him start up a computer training center in Bamiyan. (Col. Walker tells him to submit a written request).

Even when the day is over, it's not over. Everyone in the little Bamiyan garrison takes their turn at cooking, housekeeping, sentry duty. Tonight it's the Colonel's turn to make dinner, and that means hamburgers, fries and salad for the troops and a guest list that includes two visiting journalists and a local warlord and his bodyguards. There are even centerpieces on the tables, with candleholders sculpted out of green peppers.

Six hours later, at two a.m., the Colonel, his Chiclets and the rest of the outpost personnel are out on the Bamiyan airstrip for a resupply by parachute from a C-130 with A-10s providing air cover. And three hours after the eight pallets of supplies have been picked up and the drop zone policed, the Colonel is up again, at his desk, planning the Chiclets' next day.

No wonder the Taliban and al-Qaeda hate the Chiclet teams. "Every one of us in Chiclet-5 has a price on his head," the Colonel says. "There are still al-Qaeda and Taliban out there. We see them shadowing us, looking for any weakness they might be able to exploit. We know they're going to come after us: it's not a matter of if, but when." He smiles. "But I'll tell you something, when they come they'd better be loaded for bear. Because we're good. Real good."

A young Hazara man in the bazaar offers his own verdict: "Do you know the American soldiers?" I tell him Yes, I do. "Could you please tell them, they should never leave. They should stay here forever."

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These people really have courage to be out there everyday knowing someone is looking to kill you.

 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Too bad they didn't stop the warlords from bringing back the pre-Taliban mess though.


And the place wasn't messed up with the taliban in power? There was just as much ethnic slaughter, only it was one sided under the taliban.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Too bad they didn't stop the warlords from bringing back the pre-Taliban mess though.


And the place wasn't messed up with the taliban in power? There was just as much ethnic slaughter, only it was one sided under the taliban.

Ooh, that makes it so much better I guess!
How about stopping them from killing eachother and innocents, and putting a stable government and army in place?
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Too bad they didn't stop the warlords from bringing back the pre-Taliban mess though.


And the place wasn't messed up with the taliban in power? There was just as much ethnic slaughter, only it was one sided under the taliban.

Ooh, that makes it so much better I guess!
How about stopping them from killing eachother and innocents, and putting a stable government and army in place?

Does the name Karzai mean anything to you? I think thats what is trying to be done in Afghanistan. Its not easy to overcome hundreds of years of ethnic violence. The more you think about it its a losing proposition for the U.S. Leave the country be and people cry "How about stopping them from killing eachother and innocents, and putting a stable government and army in place?" then when you try to stop it people cry "you imperialistic dogs get out of afghanistan you have no right to do this."

 

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This does indeed make me proud to be an American. :D

Nice to see that the Bush administration, which came to power explicity proclaiming that the Middle East/Arab situation was one they would NOT take an active role in and that the US military would NOT be used for nation building has finally seen the inexcusable error of it's ways, publically apologized to the American public for being SO fundamentally wrong, and resigned en masse in disgrace.

What?!? They haven't?

Oh.
 

etech

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Thanks, Perknoise, my faith in the bashers fortitude in and persistance in the face of a story about the US trying to do some good was wavering for awhile. You proved that no matter what the story, some will find a way to bash the US or the current administration.

Nice job.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Thanks, Perknoise, my faith in the bashers fortitude in and persistance in the face of a story about the US trying to do some good was wavering for awhile. You proved that no matter what the story, some will find a way to bash the US or the current administration.

Nice job.

 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: etech
Thanks, Perknoise, my faith in the bashers fortitude in and persistance in the face of a story about the US trying to do some good was wavering for awhile. You proved that no matter what the story, some will find a way to bash the US or the current administration. Nice job.
Dissent is not unpatriotic.

Our emperor, George Bush, has no clothes. Your concept of patriotism is that we must all line up and insist that he does, no matter the obvious truth. That is the patriotism that Ben Johnson called "the last refuge of scoundrels".

I believe it is not only my right, but my patriotic duty to stand up for what I believe, even and especially when it involves factually based criticism of the shortcomings and mistakes of our elected leaders.

Speaking of facts, I see that you have no factual response to my criticism, only an ad hominem (sic) attack on myself, my username, and my loyalty to my country. Way to go, fleatech. You soil the flag you flagrantly attempt to wrap yourself in.

 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: etech
Thanks, Perknoise, my faith in the bashers fortitude in and persistance in the face of a story about the US trying to do some good was wavering for awhile. You proved that no matter what the story, some will find a way to bash the US or the current administration. Nice job.
Dissent is not unpatriotic.

Our emperor, George Bush, has no clothes. Your concept of patriotism is that we must all line up and insist that he does, no matter the obvious truth. That is the patriotism that Ben Johnson called "the last refuge of scoundrels".

I believe it is not only my right, but <STRONG>my patriotic duty</STRONG> to stand up for what I believe, even and <EM>especially</EM> when it involves factually based criticism of the shortcomings and mistakes of our elected leaders.

Speaking of facts, I see that you have no factual response to my criticism, only an ad hominem (sic) attack on myself, my username, and my loyalty to my country. Way to go, fleatech. You soil the flag you flagrantly attempt to wrap yourself in.

No dissent is not unpatriotic but being an idiot is well .... just idiotic. When the President made those statements during his campaign he was referring to the Israel/ Palestine cluster fsck not the ME in general. World and Congressional pressures made him get involved (albeit badly) in that situation. Although I'm sure he still prefers that they settle their own problems it is obvious they cannot and we will have to engage more fully at some point. As far as Afghanistan goes I'm sure that you would rather him keep a campaign promise than do what is necessary there, right? Maybe you should stick with something you're good at like whining enough to get someone banned from an internet message board because your lame ass attempt to bash the President for getting involved in Afghanistan just brings into specific relief who the lame ass is and it ain't the Prez.

 

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Hey can I kick you ass if I'm willing to pay the hospital bills?
 

Moonbeam

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As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence.

And of course this conclusion is based on reason and facts and the evidence (statistics of attacks before and after) support it.... in no way is this conclusion a result of my own political beliefs and ideals...
just because this conclusion just happens to fall within the 'Bush=Bad' equation that dominates my thinking does not mean it is invalid! One day I just might draw a conclusion that isn't rubber stamped by my ideals!
Or, I may never do that because it would make me far too uncomfortable. Oh well.

 

etech

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Thanks Dave, you pretty much covered all of the relevant points and in quite a nice style if I may say so.


Perk, I'm disapointed, I thought you would remember the moniker "perknoise" from when you used to come into the hot deals forum and make lots of noise and disrupt threads. It still seems to apply to you.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Thanks Dave, you pretty much covered all of the relevant points and in quite a nice style if I may say so.


Perk, I'm disapointed, I thought you would remember the moniker "perknoise" from when you used to come into the hot deals forum and make lots of noise and disrupt threads. It still seems to apply to you.

noproblemwhatsoever

 

308nato

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Originally posted by: Perknose
This does indeed make me proud to be an American. :D

Nice to see that the Bush administration, which came to power explicity proclaiming that the Middle East/Arab situation was one they would NOT take an active role in and that the US military would NOT be used for nation building has finally seen the inexcusable error of it's ways, publically apologized to the American public for being SO fundamentally wrong, and resigned en masse in disgrace.

What?!? They haven't?

Oh.

"Nation building" as you refer to it in the presidential campaign was defined as clusterf#cks such as Haiti and Somalia. It also referred not to being the p!ssboy for the UN and making American men and women in uniform wear a blue beret and put there lives on the line for reasons having nothing to do with the oath taken to defend the US and our constitution against all enemies.

Stomping a mudhole in the @ss of those who pose a threat to the citizens of this country and then trying to restore some sanity and a little bit of what we have here for the good people of a country is nation building of another sort and that is what this story represents.

If you can't tell the difference and think that what we are doing is "un-American" then I feel sorry for you.

 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.

Spinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.........................
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.


Moonbeam needs to get over the 2000 election.

optoman - nice post!
 

Moonbeam

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As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.
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