This is why gun law(s) will NOT work with criminals

[Svnla]

I wonder where did this punk ass get his gun from and would any gun law bother him one bit (sarcastic).

Feel good gun control law will not work with criminals and gang members. They do not give a crap about any law because of who they are, criminals.

This was not the 5-feet 8-inch tall, 130-pound teen's (14 years old) first brush with violence. State records state he was a convicted felon arrested twice since age 12 for armed robbery with a gun, once for battery on a public or school employee and once for burglarizing a home.

Gross identified Smith as a documented gang member.


The teen could not legally possess or carry a handgun because of his age.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ls-armed-gang-member-20140807,0,7318967.story

 

[sandorski]

The more Guns in circulation, the easier it is for this kid and other criminals to get a hold of a gun.

 

[ivwshane]

The more Guns in circulation, the easier it is for this kid and other criminals to get a hold of a gun.

You would think this would be a simple concept to understand.

Laws are rarely meant to stop crime, they are intended to make committing a crime harder or non beneficial.

 

[Tombstone1881]

Isn't that like saying that since any laws are capable of being broken by a criminal, why have any laws at all?

Laws can't stop anything. They can only make them as a deterrent for criminal activity.

 

[RandomWords]

Laws can't stop anything. They can only make them as a deterrent for criminal activity.

This is true... but guns are already sold black market everywhere. A ban on guns in America will not stop or make it harder for criminals to have guns - they are already part of a network that has an unlawful supply. Taking guns away from citizens - in order to try and prevent criminal activity with guns - in which the criminals have a supply of guns - just makes it more of an incentive to commit crime, because now they know it is less likely that citizen can defend themselves.

 

[sandorski]

This is true... but guns are already sold black market everywhere. A ban on guns in America will not stop or make it harder for criminals to have guns - they are already part of a network that has an unlawful supply. Taking guns away from citizens - in order to try and prevent criminal activity with guns - in which the criminals have a supply of guns - just makes it more of an incentive to commit crime, because now they know it is less likely that citizen can defend themselves.

I disagree with this. The incentive to commit a crime is to gain something that is needed or just desired. It is not based upon the risk. If it were as simple as the risk, the US would be a Crime Free utopia already.

 

[Anarchist420]

i am pretty sure that gun control legislation reduces gun violence by private criminals at the expense of gun violence by the State.

also, it should be noted that the most productive members of society are too smart to get shot by private criminals

 

[shortylickens]

The more Guns in circulation, the easier it is for this kid and other criminals to get a hold of a gun.

Then maybe you should stop creating a black market for them.

 

[MtnMan]

The more Guns in circulation, the easier it is for this kid and other criminals to get a hold of a gun.

Ah yes, anti gun ignorance from the land of no guns, one of the gun free countries with a violent assault rate many times higher than the US. Guess AU and GB (also gun free) are higher only because it ain't so damn cold in the winter.

 

[Dman8777]

The more Guns in circulation, the easier it is for this kid and other criminals to get a hold of a gun.

QFT. I'm pretty sure all of central america would appreciate it if the US would stop flooding the channel with guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE

 

[ivwshane]

Ah yes, anti gun ignorance from the land of no guns, one of the gun free countries with a violent assault rate many times higher than the US. Guess AU and GB (also gun free) are higher only because it ain't so damn cold in the winter.

You aren't very bright are you? I'll let you figure out why comparing apples to oranges is stupid.

 

[MtnMan]

You aren't very bright are you? I'll let you figure out why comparing apples to oranges is stupid.

Really simple, more guns = a safer society. The less guns, the more victims of violent crime.

Look at England, they outlawed guns, and violent attacks increased because citizens were defensless with knives have increased to the point there is a movement to ban large pointed kitchen knives.

Criminals clearly don't fear the cops, but a victim that can defend themselves does give them second thoughts.

 

[fskimospy]

Really simple, more guns = a safer society. The less guns, the more victims of violent crime.

Look at England, they outlawed guns, and violent attacks increased because citizens were defensless with knives have increased to the point there is a movement to ban large pointed kitchen knives.

Criminals clearly don't fear the cops, but a victim that can defend themselves does give them second thoughts.

England classifies different things as violent crimes than we do. You are comparing apples to oranges.

You should learn more about what you're talking about before calling others stupid.

 

[RandomWords]

The incentive to commit a crime is to gain something that is needed or just desired. It is not based upon the risk.

Yes, and this incentive is lowered when the person who wants to gain something think the guy inside might kill them and is raised when they think the person is vulnerable.

Ex: A criminal wants sex or items from a woman inside a house. This house has no kind of alarm system because it isn't in their budget (most middle class home owners). This criminal has a gun he purchased from a buddy who got it down in mexico or from a mexican cartel member that was now in America... they did not get said gun by legal means and the gun cannot be traced back to them...

Option A.) The criminal knows there is likely to be no guns in the house because it has been outlawed in this State. He has no fear for his life and the risk is minimal.

Option B.) The criminal knows there is likely to be guns in this house because the state has NOT outlawed them. There is consideration that there might be trouble inside that house.

Of the two states - I guarantee you more criminals move and commit crimes in Option A than in Option B... In Option A - they reduced the risk to commit a crime and thus have indirectly increased the incentive to commit crime in that location.

In Option A - the items are likely to get stolen and the woman raped, beaten and likely killed, there is VERY LITTLE chance the situation will go in any other way.

In Option B - If the criminal DOES decide to risk his life; it is a greater chance that the criminal will be run off or killed in this situation.

 

[row]

You aren't very bright are you? I'll let you figure out why comparing apples to oranges is stupid.

not required when talking to your dumb ass

try passing your dribble off to the victims or their families..."oh i'm sooooo happy my daughter was murdered with a blunt force object and not a gun!!!" :whiste:

 

[ivwshane]

not required when talking to your dumb ass

try passing your dribble off to the victims or their families..."oh i'm sooooo happy my daughter was murdered with a blunt force object and not a gun!!!" :whiste:

Lol! I love it! The ignorant always love displaying their ignorance!



I'm just curious, was your point that if their happy daughter had a gun then she wouldn't be dead? I'm sure I nor anyone else needs to tell you how dumb your argument is.

If that wasn't your point then perhaps you could try again.

 

[blankslate]

Really simple, more guns = a safer society. The less guns, the more victims of violent crime.

By that reasoning a person could easily arrive at the conclusion that according to your chart Japan must have more guns per capita than the United States. C'mon don't bullshit us.

[sarcasm]This must not stand... that is an insult that hello kitty nation has more guns per citizen than Murika![/sarcasm]

there are many more factors than just guns that contribute to crime. It would be interesting to see the entire article from which that chart is pulled from.

Here is an interesting perspective on correlations between societal factors and violence among other things.

https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson


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[ivwshane]

By that reasoning one must assume that according to your chart Japan must have more guns per capita than the U.S. hmmmm didn't know that...

This must not stand... that is an insult that hello kitty nation has more guns per citizen than Murika!

there are many more factors than just guns that contribute to crime. It would be interesting to see the entire article from which that chart is pulled from.

Here is an interesting perspective on correlations between societal factors and violence among other things.

https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson


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The main issue with that chart is that not all countries measure their data the same, a contact crime victim in one country may not be a contact crime victim in another. That's not even getting into the differences in cultures and when/how people report crimes and how they are recorded for tracking purposes. For example, a crime that happens in an environment/neighborhood that distrusts the police probably are less likely to report a crime. Anyone think this country has a good chunk of people who distrust the police.

Unfortunately most gun nuts aren't very bright and they only look at data that agrees with their gut, or, like the poster I originally responded to, don't know how to read the bias in a statistic.

Again, the ignorance love displaying their ignorance!

 

[Svnla]

When I said gun laws, I am talking about the feel good gun laws such as "10 bullets or less per magazine" or "no adjustable stock" and so on. They are useless.

Them criminals would not give a crap about gun laws. See the criminal asswipe (14 years old with a felony conviction at 12) and no, he was not a kid, he was a young punk criminal animal.

 

[sandorski]

When I said gun laws, I am talking about the feel good gun laws such as "10 bullets or less per magazine" or "no adjustable stock" and so on. They are useless.

Them criminals would not give a crap about gun laws. See the criminal asswipe (14 years old with a felony conviction at 12) and no, he was not a kid, he was a young punk criminal animal.

So? Most of the Mass Shooters are not Gang Members, Thugs, or long time Criminals. They are usually people who just go off the deep end and grab the easily accessible firearms at their disposal.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Really simple, more guns = a safer society. The less guns, the more victims of violent crime.

Look at England, they outlawed guns, and violent attacks increased because citizens were defensless with knives have increased to the point there is a movement to ban large pointed kitchen knives.

Criminals clearly don't fear the cops, but a victim that can defend themselves does give them second thoughts.

And yet in Canada guns are more regulated than the US and our rates of violent crime (and crime in general) are far lower than in the US.

btw, violent crime in Britain has been *declining* for decades, not increasing as you claim.

 

[her209]

Really simple, more guns = a safer society. The less guns, the more victims of violent crime.

Lets give guns to all gang members. That will stop the gang violence!

 

[Knowing]

So? Most of the Mass Shooters are not Gang Members, Thugs, or long time Criminals. They are usually people who just go off the deep end and grab the easily accessible firearms at their disposal.

That's not correct. It's unfortunate that you think it is, because that means that our news media isn't reporting on things that are actual threats and is instead reporting on things that will sell ad time and not offend censors.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

Just last week there was a "mass shooting" in Chicago, did you hear about it?

Did you hear about this one a week before that?

Is the threshold for this newfangled term "mass shooting" three or four, because one of these 20 might apply.

The 84 people shot July 4th weekend probably made the news... right?

 

[sandorski]

That's not correct. It's unfortunate that you think it is, because that means that our news media isn't reporting on things that are actual threats and is instead reporting on things that will sell ad time and not offend censors.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

Just last week there was a "mass shooting" in Chicago, did you hear about it?

Did you hear about this one a week before that?

Is the threshold for this newfangled term "mass shooting" three or four, because one of these 20 might apply.

The 84 people shot July 4th weekend probably made the news... right?

A Mass Shooting is an incident when a large amount of people or shot by a Gunman or Gunmen in a single event. It is not just all the Shootings in an area lumped together.

 

[her209]

A Mass Shooting is an incident when a large amount of people or shot by a Gunman or Gunmen in a single event. It is not just all the Shootings in an area lumped together.

To clarify, a mass shooting incident is premeditated with the intention to kill and injure as many as possible. The shooter also intends to die at the end of said incident either by suicide or police.