This is what I think of religion.

[E equals MC2]

Well, the subtitle is meant to stir you up, so you could enter this thread. Please don't take it offensively.

1. Theists believe in a god although we cannot comprehend and logically prove that there is one. They're ignorant to conclude so.

2. Atheists conclude and completely rule out that there isn't a god. I believe this is just as ignorant. Our knowledge of humanity is completely premature. There are many things we still cannot explain. To make such a leap of decision is just as stretchy as Theists proclaiming that there is a god.

I am an agnostic pluralist.

Being an agnostic is a clear stance. It's not avoiding to making up the mind, since s/he disagrees distinctively with both theists and atheists. I simply profess we do not have enough evidence or sophisticated knowledge to lean either way. Thousands died today as both theists/atheists/agnostic/indifferent. Does it really matter in the end? Death comes to us all. Life is too short to point fingers and waste time enforcing your own religion. (or your anti-religion) Go out there and just enjoy life.

I just enjoy life while accepting everyone as they are (which theists and atheists often have a hard time with.) That is where pluralism / relativism comes in.

 

[So]

That's great. I don't care what you think. You (and everyone else) are entitled to your opinion.

 

[BatmanNate]

 

[SampSon]

You're so profound and transcendental, you should be a collge professor!

 

[everman]

*wonders if this thread is bbq and lawn chair worthy*

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: So
That's great. I don't care what you think. You (and everyone else) are entitled to your opinion.

That's pretty much what my stance is. My problem lies when a fundamentalist try to comdemn others because they do not share the same belief. Look at history, religion is the number one reason to behind war, bloodshed and death. (ALL religions are guilty of this.)

 

[Looney]

Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: everman
*wonders if this thread is bbq and lawn chair worthy*

nope just a guy who thinks he's special because he didn't pick a position.

Hey, I didn't vote in the last election! EVERYONE LOOK I AM AN ATTENTION WHORE!!!!!!!!11111one11!1


I'll let someone else link to the picture

 

[clamum]

I'm the same way. :beer:

 

[Heisenberg]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

 

[MrDudeMan]

it takes more than figuring out if there is or isnt a god. even if you could prove the existance of god, that doesnt do anything for the average joe. the problem most people have with religion is the religious people. they are mostly very ignorant and dont even know the basics of what they are professing to believe in. if more people were educated on their particular belief, none of those wars would happen.

people cause wars. plain and simple. if religion didnt exist there would still be wars and differences leading to other conflict. religion just happens to be an easy way to mask greed and stupidity when it is convenient. it gives religion an undeserved bad rap.

you have your point, but it is mostly incorrect based on how little you have probably developed an understanding for what makes a worldview unique and how you really interpret truth compared to someone else. you are the epitome of post modernism.

btw, i am a christian, but i extensively study it on a weekly and usually daily basis. i dont force it on other people ever. i truly respect your right to disagree and i even welcome you to do so...it helps everyone grow as long as you can keep it mature, consistent, and be man enough to swallow your pride and sometimes admit the other party has a point. lots of times people ask me questions i cant answer, and since i am a finite being, i simply dont have answers to every question. i can admit that. just something to mentally chew on.

edit: while im at it, i may as well add this. another problem with religion is people who dont have faith dont see a pragmatic value in it. this is a very good observation by non theists. i really mean that. if you fail to see any day to day value, then what is the point? much of the real value of it has problem been hidden from you by people abusing their position as a religious person by either saying you are going to hell or something else equally as offensive and one sided, or simply have no clue what they are talking about. i admire their search for god but they are going about it all wrong.

 

[QED]

Title: This is what I think of religion.
Summary: And I think I have the best stance.

Stop deluding yourself. Your sh!t stinks just as bad as everyone elses' does.

 

[NanoStuff]

I have to say you are correct.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: MathMan

Title: This is what I think of religion.
Summary: And I think I have the best stance.

Stop deluding yourself. Your sh!t stinks just as bad as everyone elses' does.

I know. That subtitle is meant to stir you up. Didn't you read the original post? :roll:

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

Well, it appears to matter enough for you to make a post about it. If it truly didn't matter, you wouldn't care, and this post wouldn't exist. You seem to need to justify yourself for some reason.

 

[AreaCode707]

Your position makes sense as long as your premise is valid: that our comprehension and ability to logically prove or disprove something is the ultimate validation and reason for belief or disbelief.

On a premise like that there's really no way to debate, so I will respectfully disagree with you on the basis that our premises differ.

And I'll point out that standing in judgment on others and concluding that they are ignorant and you are superior is apt to inflame sentiments. You could choose your words more circumspectly to present your ideas in a way that people are more able to respond to logically, if logic is what you are hoping for.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

Let me answer your question with my own:

Did you know that only 400 years ago, the whole WORLD thought the earth was flat? Both atheists and theists (Christians) were astonished at this discovery. Everyone was wrong except Galileo.

That was our science back then. This is today's science now. Can our science explain ghosts currently?

Look up the definition science. It is trying to better upstand the world around us as we learn through experience.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: HotChic
Your position makes sense as long as your premise is valid: that our comprehension and ability to logically prove or disprove something is the ultimate validation and reason for belief or disbelief.

On a premise like that there's really no way to debate, so I will respectfully disagree with you on the basis that our premises differ.

And I'll point out that standing in judgment on others and concluding that they are ignorant and you are superior is apt to inflame sentiments. You could choose your words more circumspectly to present your ideas in a way that people are more able to respond to logically, if logic is what you are hoping for.

Very well said. I guess people DO take religions threads very seriously. Again, the subtitle is MEANT to stir up so we can engage in discussions.

I humbly acknowledge that I'm just an young adult with much to learn and my course of belief will be molded as I mature.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

Let me answer your question with my own:

Did you know that only 400 years ago, the whole WORLD thought the earth was flat? Both atheists and theists are astonished at this discovery. Everyone was wrong except Galileo.

That was our science back then. This is today's science now. Can our science explain ghosts currently?

Look up the definition science. It is trying to better upstand the world around us as we learn through experience.

first of all, science explains nothing about the origins of anything. science observes and explains to the best of its ability. scientists without an agenda will stand by that day in and day out. im not a PhD physicist, but i study quantum structures and atomic and nuclear physics for several semesters now, and i can tell you with certainty defining science as a means to understand the origins of humanity or anything else is using it the wrong way.

science is systematically acquired knowledge and an arrangement of experimentally derived and verified concepts. thats it.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

Let me answer your question with my own:

Did you know that only 400 years ago, the whole WORLD thought the earth was flat? Both atheists and theists are astonished at this discovery. Everyone was wrong except Galileo.

That was our science back then. This is today's science now. Can our science explain ghosts currently?

Look up the definition science. It is trying to better upstand the world around us as we learn through experience.

I think there is more than enoughh proof to let you decide one way or the other. Just because you COULD be wrong doesn't mean its wrong to pick a side. Just like in the ghosts argument. There may never be enough evidence to fully convince everyone one way or another, but people make decisions. Simply stating that the results are inconclusive is just being indecisive IMO.

There WILL ALWAYS be debate about religion. The matter will never be settled. Waiting for there to be perfect proof one way or another is unrealistic.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

Let me answer your question with my own:

Did you know that only 400 years ago, the whole WORLD thought the earth was flat? Both atheists and theists are astonished at this discovery. Everyone was wrong except Galileo.

That was our science back then. This is today's science now. Can our science explain ghosts currently?

Look up the definition science. It is trying to better upstand the world around us as we learn through experience.

first of all, science explains nothing about the origins of anything. science observes and explains to the best of its ability. scientists without an agenda will stand by that day in and day out. im not a PhD physicist, but i study quantum structures and atomic and nuclear physics for several semesters now, and i can tell you with certainty defining science as a means to understand the origins of humanity or anything else is using it the wrong way.

science is systematically acquired knowledge and an arrangement of experimentally derived and verified concepts. thats it.

There you go, although I do not understand the point of your statement in direct relation to what Looney and I are talking about...

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

I think there is more than enoughh proof to let you decide one way or the other. Just because you COULD be wrong doesn't mean its wrong to pick a side. Just like in the ghosts argument. There may never be enough evidence to fully convince everyone one way or another, but people make decisions. Simply stating that the results are inconclusive is just being indecisive IMO.

There WILL ALWAYS be debate about religion. The matter will never be settled. Waiting for there to be perfect proof one way or another is unrealistic.

we may not see eye to eye on the actual issue...i dont know...but your sentiment about truth existing and being perceived is what i also think to be correct. whether or not god is proved to exist wouldnt make 100% of the world believe. its just simply the nature of the beast. that is why people seeking to prove the existance of god with hard facts are mostly wasting time.

we have religious scriptures and books, some which have lasted an extremely long time. you can choose to read and try to understand what it is teaching, or blow it off completely. we are afforded the choice to do so and how you go about your life does not make your way better or worse. relativism is dangerous though, since the scope, amount, range, and pace is exponentially increasing. whether or not that is harmful to society begs to be answered.

 

[E equals MC2]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: E equals MC2

Originally posted by: Looney
Meh, to me an agnostic is the worst type. They're just too lazy to have looked for the 'truth'.

Why can't being an agnostic a truth? Truth is relative. What Christians believe is their truth, as is for Judaism, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhism and so on. Millions die each year believing what they truly believe.

My truth is that religions doesn't matter to me. Just as a theists' truth is relative to them as is an atheists'.

So, just as a random example. If someone asks you if ghosts exist...you would say the true answer is I don't care if they exist? wow...going out on a limb there

Let me answer your question with my own:

Did you know that only 400 years ago, the whole WORLD thought the earth was flat? Both atheists and theists are astonished at this discovery. Everyone was wrong except Galileo.

That was our science back then. This is today's science now. Can our science explain ghosts currently?

Look up the definition science. It is trying to better upstand the world around us as we learn through experience.

I think there is more than enoughh proof to let you decide one way or the other. Just because you COULD be wrong doesn't mean its wrong to pick a side. Just like in the ghosts argument. There may never be enough evidence to fully convince everyone one way or another, but people make decisions. Simply stating that the results are inconclusive is just being indecisive IMO.

There WILL ALWAYS be debate about religion. The matter will never be settled. Waiting for there to be perfect proof one way or another is unrealistic.

Very well said. I think we can even close the thread here. I know that I'm just a 25 year old young adult still learning with much growing up to do. In the meanwhile, the FACT is that thousands die everyday believing in their own religion or lack of one.

This is a questions actually directed to Christians in particular since I've turned out from one: If God truly loved us, why does he create hell? Why John 3:16 literally?