this is really hard to watch: 4 Gaza kids on a beach killed by Israeli gunboat

[Zorkorist]

Conflict is normal. Religion, or Government, with Gun Boats is abnormal.

The thing that should be limited, is not Conflict, but Religion, and Government.

-John

 

[Brovane]

How long was Hamas lobbing rockets at Israel?
Hamas and the Fatah did nothing regarding the teenagers in terms of finding them and/or finding out who did such.
Hamas proudly supported what happened.

The bombing started after the Hamas started the heavy rocket campaign.
that was in response to the Palestinian teenager being killer.
Who was responsible for that? Have they been brought to justice?
What about who was responsible for the Israeli teens? Have they been brought to justice?

There is always a cause and effect. It just determines when you want to draw the line and why.

Here is a article listing out Palestinian rocket attacks into Israeli and broken out by month and year. Most originate from the Gaza strip. Just because it isn't reported on regularly we forget that rocket's are fired on a regular basis into Israeli. At some point Israeli gets feed up and starts striking back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

 

[DominionSeraph]

I actually think Israel is WORSE than Apartheid South Africa, yet they are our 'ally'.

Israel doesn't rule Gaza; Hamas does.

 

[cabri]

What does that have to do with Israeli behavior?

Some seem to think that Israeli is targeting the civilians; yet they turn a blind eye to what the Palestinians are doing.

Should Israel target the civilians like the Palestinians from Gaza are doing; there would be a lot more casualties.

Israel is trying to minimize casualties while destroy Hamas militant capabilities.
Can the same be of Hamas?
They are trying to generate Israeli and Palestinian casualties at the same time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Israel doesn't rule Gaza; Hamas does.

Yeh, the same way that Jews governed the Warsaw Ghetto.

 

[squarecut1]

This whole business of whether Israel deliberately targets civilians is so much nonsense.

Does that make a difference to the children who have lost their mothers? Or the parents who are burying their children? Is that what they want to know?

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't post much on P&N but if I understand currently, all borders are blocked and people are not allowed in or out. Where are these people supposed to go?

Then I suggest targeting Egypt and Jordan. We send aid to Egypt, you should demand that it require open borders with Gaza.

Call the President, get it done.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes, Israel is worse than S. Africa. The same point has been made by Noam Chomsky, who is himself Jewish

In Israel Norm Chomsky is considered a joke....so sorry!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just a reminder that Israel purposefully starves Palestinians (euphemistically calls it 'putting them on a diet'), steals their land, and uses billions of dollars of American taxes to kill them with high tech weapons. I actually think Israel is WORSE than Apartheid South Africa, yet they are our 'ally'.

you are being less than truthful......almost anything and everything before it gets thru to the Palestinian people, it touches Hamas hands first......Hamas could have used this aid to build schools and establish a recognized government.....instead Hamas builds bombs.....you really need to tell the truth Phokus...

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't post much on P&N but if I understand currently, all borders are blocked and people are not allowed in or out. Where are these people supposed to go?

That's right the Palestinians own fellow Arab brothers and sisters have blocked the borders for the Palestinians to flee........so sorry....

 

[JEDIYoda]

All those things Israel does is just a pretext to pretend they give a shit about Palestinian lives (they don't) so they can paint themselves as the 'good guy' internationally. International politics is very important to Israel. Hamas has bottle rockets to play with that aren't accurate and hardly do any damage while Israel has US taxpayer funded high tech weapons. What a stupid comparison.

Thanks for the laugh.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Chomsky is a laughing stock and considered to not to be a Jew...in name only!!

 

[Abwx]

The video, if not posted already.

Image of the kids are blurred because it s not allowed in France to use such
graphics to prop up your sites hits.

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...s-les-yeux-des-journalistes_4458418_3218.html

Chomsky is a laughing stock and considered to not to be a Jew...in name only!!

Why so much posts..?.

It tell that you re of bad faith and have nothing to post other than a despicable propganda supporting killing of the palestinians whoever they are, the video show clearly that the boats are firing randomly to shoot whatever is moving.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yeh, the same way that Jews governed the Warsaw Ghetto.

You probably know nothing about the Warsaw Ghetto....

 

[JEDIYoda]

This whole business of whether Israel deliberately targets civilians is so much nonsense.

Does that make a difference to the children who have lost their mothers? Or the parents who are burying their children? Is that what they want to know?

YES!! It is nonsense.....the enemy (Hamas) hides in the homes and schools of Palestinians!
The enemy stores military items in those homes........this is all incumbent upon Hamas to stop using the Palestinians as human shields....

 

[squarecut1]

YES!! It is nonsense.....the enemy (Hamas) hides in the homes and schools of Palestinians!
The enemy stores military items in those homes........this is all incumbent upon Hamas to stop using the Palestinians as human shields....

Yes just like those four children on the beach. How can you be so callous?

 

[Abwx]

Yes just like those four children on the beach. How can you be so callous?

Because he s a die hard zionist, read an israeli facsist.

Here a post of his from a nearby thread :

Chomsky is a laughing stock and considered to not to be a Jew...in name only!!

His mentality is clearly displayed, you are not jewish or considered as such then you have no credibility, only jews are human in short.

 

[Abwx]

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[Matt1970]

At least you are honest in your posting of Israeli propoganda. Meanwhile Israel is knowingly killing civilians. Collective punishment is a violation of the Geneva Conventions and Israel is engaging in it.

And Hamas is only firing it's rockets at military targets?

 

[Thebobo]

lol spoon fed propaganda.

 

[Ns1]

lol spoon fed propaganda.

yet totally true

 

[Orignal Earl]

No,

Because they are Religious.

It's Religion that compares one man against another.

It's Religion that declares the other is sub-human.

-John

It looks to me like the majority on this board who would support a Holy War against Muslims would be the right wing small gov types though. I don't think many of them are religious at all

 

[iGas]

In January of this year alone Palestinian militants fired 22 rockets and 4 motor shells into Israeli. In March they fired 65 rockets in Israeli. Were where you in March of this year in condemning these indiscriminate attacks into Israeli?

And, how many of those rockets were targeting Israelis hospitals, schools, and playing children?

 

[Abwx]

It looks to me like the majority on this board who would support a Holy War against Muslims would be the right wing small gov types though. I don't think many of them are religious at all

Actualy they have a religion, supremacism, that is , they think that they are some kind of gods, this was accurately described by Ariel Sharuhin, a jewish supremacist and war criminal :

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

 

[PokerGuy]

At some point Israeli gets feed up and starts striking back.

By murdering unarmed children on a beach? So how exactly is israel better than the terrorists attacking them?

As I stated in the other thread on this, israel and the palestinians are equally to blame for this mess. One oppresses the other and occupies their land and submits them to inhuman conditions, the other attempts to kill innocent people in terrorist attacks. Basically, two sides of a very evil coin.