This is Pure Stupid

[hal2kilo]

I re-read the article, and from what I could tell, the only company that appeared to have been keeping a record of the fingerprints was the coal mining company that was using hand scanners to track hours. And they *rightly* lost their suit as that practice is invasive and reasonable accommodation was readily available.
For financial services and the school bus company, full background checks with fingerprints are generally the law. And (speaking from experience in financial services) the fingerprinting is usually done off-site by a 3rd party, and employer doesn't see anything but the results.

Well now, that's a horse of a different color.

 

[feralkid]

This is getting ridiculous, claiming religious beliefs shouldn't get you out of everything.

But isn't that what most religions are promising?

 

[Ajay]

But isn't that what most religions are promising?

Around the western world? Probably not. But in the US, yeah, some are. I understand certain claims wrt to conscience.
Ofc, as pointed out by Vic, this is just a ridiculous invasion of privacy. I worked as a substitute teacher for a while after the great recession.
I had to get fingerprinted by the police. I thought that was reasonable because they need to make sure you're not a pedo working in an elementary school.

 

[ivwshane]

This is getting ridiculous, claiming religious beliefs shouldn't get you out of everything.

It shouldn't get you out of anything.

 

[Ajay]

It shouldn't get you out of anything.

There is no freedom of conscience if there are no options available for the free exercise thereof.

 

[MtnMan]

What the farken kind of religious hooey says you can refuse to be fingerprinted?

Firm sued for religious discrimination in firing man over fingerprinting - UPI.com

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is suing a Minnesota company, alleging discrimination by firing an employee who refused to be fingerprinted on the basis of his Christian faith.

www.upi.com

Religion attracts the stupid, it is their opium.

 

[Ajay]

Religion attracts the stupid, it is their opium.

Blah, blah, blah...

 

[Moonbeam]

Religion attracts the stupid, it is their opium.

There is another kind of stupid, thinking that what is stupid constitutes what religion really is. Faith is a tool that when it functions as was intended kills the ego. It is not an entitlement that grants the ego privilege but an acceptance in gratitude that nothing can happen accept as the Will of God. For those caught in the delusion of duality the door to the kingdom of heaven opens with a change in attitude.

 

[MtnMan]

Blah, blah, blah...

So that's your evidence that I'm wrong? otay

 

[dank69]

There is another kind of stupid, thinking that what is stupid constitutes what religion really is. Faith is a tool that when it functions as was intended kills the ego. It is not an entitlement that grants the ego privilege but an acceptance in gratitude that nothing can happen accept as the Will of God. For those caught in the delusion of duality the door to the kingdom of heaven opens with a change in attitude.

Faith seems to me to be the opposite of logic. Literally anti-logic.

 

[Ajay]

So that's your evidence that I'm wrong? otay

No, it's just the endless stereotypical tripe sent our way since forever. That's all.

 

[MtnMan]

No, it's just the endless stereotypical tripe sent our way since forever. That's all.

Still no evidence?

 

[Ajay]

Still no evidence?

Seriously? If you want a fight, look elsewhere.

 

[Moonbeam]

Faith seems to me to be the opposite of logic. Literally anti-logic.

We were speaking of the Christian religion and the degenerated or mechanical forms of it we find today. It is a path that leads to enlightenment via the heart. Forms of Yoga enter via the mind and other forms of it via the body. Via the mind may be better suited to you. All of these techniques, I believe, step over the problem of self hate, something I could call transcendence.

Here is some logic. Is the finger pointing at the moon the moon? Obviously it is not. Are words about what enlightenment is enlightenment? Obviously it is not. All that logic can do is point. It can't create the experience it is pointing or referring to nor the equipment required for the seeing. You can't give eyes to the blind to see the moon or point to it through the roof of a house. You can't give people the enlightened experience, only suggest the conditions they may create for themselves in conducive to the experience. You can't prove the moon exists to the blind, only suggest corroborating evidence. If someone has been told the moon is a monster that if viewed will lead to doom or someone demands to see it from inside their house, no amount of logic will convince them otherwise. They will need to have faith and it won't come easy.

In my case I sought to logically prove that live has meaning, that beyond all earthly suffering there would be reward for those who practiced love of their fellow beings. I totally failed. I lost all faith. I did not transcend. But it is doubt, and the rejection of faith that is the opposite of faith, not logic. Doubt is just one road logic can take so let's go farther down that path. Meaningless is hopelessness and suffering, meaning brings happiness to ones life. That was the logic I believed and then I ran into Zen. Zen set the ground of my consciousness to wonder how these folk seemed also to find life has no meaning. Because of that shock to my conscious thinking. Deep in thought as to why I suffered, what was the root of it, a blast of wind hit my house and I awoke from a dream into the present where I and the wind were everything. I knew in that moment that the need for meaning is as meaningless as everything else, that all that exists the the now of the present, awareness. Thought and time came to an end. Thought is time and fear, anticipation of disaster in the future or remorse over the past and the need to seek what is actually always there. All that I had ever sought, the Love of God, all there, not elsewhere, but right there in me. One moment and back to this world, but my attitude had changed. All of the faults in the world, they are also not out there. They are all in me.

I would say that logic is dependent on unconscious assumptions about what logic is. These days I find what I just said rather logical.

I love you dank. You remind me of myself. I destroyed all the logic I was told to accept on faith including the logic that said that logic was worth something, that it lead to meaning. What it did was to wipe away all crap the clouded the mirror in which I could see my true being.

Had I had faith I could have just stepped right over all of that. I had to wade through the shit because I didn't see the faith I had was in questioning everything.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Am I the only one who thinks 99.9999% of jobs shouldn’t require a fingerprint check?Does a guy who works at a debt collector really need to be fingerprinted for his job?

 

[dank69]

We were speaking of the Christian religion and the degenerated or mechanical forms of it we find today. It is a path that leads to enlightenment via the heart. Forms of Yoga enter via the mind and other forms of it via the body. Via the mind may be better suited to you. All of these techniques, I believe, step over the problem of self hate, something I could call transcendence.

Here is some logic. Is the finger pointing at the moon the moon? Obviously it is not. Are words about what enlightenment is enlightenment? Obviously it is not. All that logic can do is point. It can't create the experience it is pointing or referring to nor the equipment required for the seeing. You can't give eyes to the blind to see the moon or point to it through the roof of a house. You can't give people the enlightened experience, only suggest the conditions they may create for themselves in conducive to the experience. You can't prove the moon exists to the blind, only suggest corroborating evidence. If someone has been told the moon is a monster that if viewed will lead to doom or someone demands to see it from inside their house, no amount of logic will convince them otherwise. They will need to have faith and it won't come easy.

In my case I sought to logically prove that live has meaning, that beyond all earthly suffering there would be reward for those who practiced love of their fellow beings. I totally failed. I lost all faith. I did not transcend. But it is doubt, and the rejection of faith that is the opposite of faith, not logic. Doubt is just one road logic can take so let's go farther down that path. Meaningless is hopelessness and suffering, meaning brings happiness to ones life. That was the logic I believed and then I ran into Zen. Zen set the ground of my consciousness to wonder how these folk seemed also to find life has no meaning. Because of that shock to my conscious thinking. Deep in thought as to why I suffered, what was the root of it, a blast of wind hit my house and I awoke from a dream into the present where I and the wind were everything. I knew in that moment that the need for meaning is as meaningless as everything else, that all that exists the the now of the present, awareness. Thought and time came to an end. Thought is time and fear, anticipation of disaster in the future or remorse over the past and the need to seek what is actually always there. All that I had ever sought, the Love of God, all there, not elsewhere, but right there in me. One moment and back to this world, but my attitude had changed. All of the faults in the world, they are also not out there. They are all in me.

I would say that logic is dependent on unconscious assumptions about what logic is. These days I find what I just said rather logical.

I love you dank. You remind me of myself. I destroyed all the logic I was told to accept on faith including the logic that said that logic was worth something, that it lead to meaning. What it did was to wipe away all crap the clouded the mirror in which I could see my true being.

Had I had faith I could have just stepped right over all of that. I had to wade through the shit because I didn't see the faith I had was in questioning everything.

I think many people have faith and step right over that and land in different shit because they didn't do the questioning you did. You figured out how to get to a better place. Many others perhaps through no fault of their own arrive in that slightly different shit but think it's roses because that's all they know. They know something stinks but don't realize it's themselves and so project it on others more than usual.

I do not think logic is a way to find meaning. I think it's all we have. What is emotion if not neurons firing in some logical order operating on a fixed set of rules? Even if we fully understood emotions, are they 100% predictable? If not, then what use are they? Maybe when you try to start manipulating emotions you start breaking your test subjects or yourself.

That's a risk I can't take anymore. Partially because of what I think is a natural fear of death, but mostly now because of the responsibility I logically think and emotionally feel for my daughters and wife. My life belongs to them completely.

So I am stuck here in what is most likely a virtual reality MMORPG that I likely can't escape without killing myself, but don't want to anyway because I'm enjoying every moment I can. As you seem to already know, that's what it is all about.

Love you too Moonbeam, as always. Hope you are also enjoying the moments.

 

[MtnMan]

Am I the only one who thinks 99.9999% of jobs shouldn’t require a fingerprint check?Does a guy who works at a debt collector really need to be fingerprinted for his job?

I think someone that has access to others personal information, i.e. SSN, DOB, etc., should be fingerprinted, so a criminal background check can be run on them.