This is Pure Stupid

Pohemi

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What the farken kind of religious hooey says you can refuse to be fingerprinted?
None. He's just one of millions of idiots that have recently come to believe that they can entitle themselves to anything they want or don't want to do/say/perform/etc. and claim it's "part of their religious beliefs".

It's entirely bullshit in most circumstances, and boils down to lying and/or using their religion as an excuse/reason for their imagined entitlement.
 

BurnItDwn

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I believe the bible probably has a line like "If thoust doesith imprint thine fingers into the ink of blasphemym thou shalt be stoned to death"

they have like 1000 different things that result in being stoned to death.
They are a psycho death cult.
 

Vic

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It's difficult for me to see these objections as sincere, but at the same time it is likely that the employers could have been accommodating. Sucks for them though as (at least with the debt collector) they have one govt agency requiring the fingerprints and another hitting them with a gotcha for this.
 
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SMOGZINN

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What the farken kind of religious hooey says you can refuse to be fingerprinted?

The exact same type that says you can refuse to bake cakes for certain people. SCOTUS has already ruled that religion does not have to make sense, it only has to be sincerely believed.
 

Vic

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I believe the bible probably has a line like "If thoust doesith imprint thine fingers into the ink of blasphemym thou shalt be stoned to death"

they have like 1000 different things that result in being stoned to death.
They are a psycho death cult.
The Bible says you're supposed to submit to laws and legal authority because (and I do quote) they are appointed by God. In most cases, these people are just making up self-serving bullshit and hiding behind their faith in order to get a settlement check.
 

pete6032

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I bet this guy's prints are in a police database somewhere and he doesn't want to be found out.
 

woolfe9998

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None. He's just one of millions of idiots that have recently come to believe that they can entitle themselves to anything they want or don't want to do/say/perform/etc. and claim it's "part of their religious beliefs".

It's entirely bullshit in most circumstances, and boils down to lying and/or using their religion as an excuse/reason for their imagined entitlement.

Exactly. Next they will claim it goes against their religion to be required to wear a seat belt. It's all right there in the marginalia. "And the Lord sayeth unto the people of Israel, thou shalt not wear a seat belt or similar restraint, when they are invented 2000 years from now."

The bible doesn't say a damn word about abortion or female homosexuality either, but apparently this book bans both of these things by implication, or so we're told.
 

solidsnake1298

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Using this kind of logic, could I say it is my sincerely held belief that the laws of man do not apply to me? Punish me for tax evasion? The only taxes I pay are my tithes. Punish me for murder? Only God can cast judgement on me.

Where is the line drawn with this stupidity?
 
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pauldun170

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What the farken kind of religious hooey says you can refuse to be fingerprinted?


Betcha at least 2 guys are interested in hearing about it...

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What torques me off is that this is something I might have expected from the EEOC a year ago. Not now. This is not supposed to happen any more.

Joe is hands off and that's OK for most things, but there are times when he needs to step in and say NO!
 

ch33zw1z

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Jesus said in the book of Luke that fingerprinting is a sin. But the humans who decided what to keep in the Bible left that part out, this guy gets it.
 
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Zorba

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Jesus said in the book of Luke that fingerprinting is a sin. But the humans who decided what to keep in the Bible left that part out, this guy gets it.
That's also proof it's all real, because the uniqueness of finger prints want discovered until the late 1800s.
 
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esquared

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Seriously OP post the fucking subject of the thread in the title, because we're getting reposts of threads with the same subject matter.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Why should a company be allowed to collect fingerprint?

Many companies require this as a part of employment. It seems in this case that the company had a client that required it, not the company itself.

"The case stems from an AscensionPoint client's requirement that employees be fingerprinted as part of a background check. The company made the request to Harrington in a July 2017 email."

I get what you're saying, it's for criminal background checks.
 

sdifox

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Many companies require this as a part of employment. It seems in this case that the company had a client that required it, not the company itself.

"The case stems from an AscensionPoint client's requirement that employees be fingerprinted as part of a background check. The company made the request to Harrington in a July 2017 email."

I get what you're saying, it's for criminal background checks.

Requiring background check is fine, but the hiring company still should not get to keep the fingerprint. It should only be forwarded to the checking company.
 

ch33zw1z

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Requiring background check is fine, but the hiring company still should not get to keep the fingerprint. It should only be forwarded to the checking company.

That may have been the way it worked. I didnt see in the article those details.
 

Vic

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Requiring background check is fine, but the hiring company still should not get to keep the fingerprint. It should only be forwarded to the checking company.
I re-read the article, and from what I could tell, the only company that appeared to have been keeping a record of the fingerprints was the coal mining company that was using hand scanners to track hours. And they *rightly* lost their suit as that practice is invasive and reasonable accommodation was readily available.
For financial services and the school bus company, full background checks with fingerprints are generally the law. And (speaking from experience in financial services) the fingerprinting is usually done off-site by a 3rd party, and employer doesn't see anything but the results.