this is probably all my fault, but I'm still mad anyway

legoman666

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Like the title says, this is more or less entirely my fault, but it's still a bite in the ass regardless.

On January 10th, I placed an order at www.dangerden.com for $168.50 using Paypal. My Paypal is set up with my savings account as the primary funding source and my debit card (checking acct) as the backup source. Before placing the order, I checked the balance of my savings account, it was about $1200; I had plenty. Well, I thought everything was all peachy.

I recieved the order on the 15th and everythign was grand. This is when shit started to go down hill. On the 17th, I received an email from Paypal saying that "Your bank has declined the funds transfer because your account did not have sufficient funds available." I checked my bank account again and there was still the same amount in it as before, no 168.50 transaction. Yet I was standing there with the stuff I had ordered a week ago in hand. Further on in the email, it said that they would retry the withdrawl in 3 days. I said whatever and forgot about it for a while.

On the 22nd this week (Tuesday), I needed to get a few things from Lowes and I knew my debit account didn't have much in it (I checked, there was $2), so I deposited a $120 check into it. I ended up buying the stuff from Lowes with cash so it wasn't an issue.

Yesterday (the 24th), I checked my Paypal and noticed that the $168.50 finally went through. Using my debit account. My debit account did not have $168.50 in it. Upon futher investigation, I saw that my debit account only had $6 in it when Paypal took the money out of it. I was mystified. Where did my $120 go? (I knew I spent about $60-70) and why the hell had it taken it from my checking?

So after an hour or two of talking to Paypal, my savings account bank and my checking account bank I finally discovered what happened.

1.) I deposited a check into my savings on the 10th, 1 day before I placed the order. Not counting the check, I did not have $168.50 in the account.

2.) The dollar amount that I read (here's my mistake) as my available balance was not correct. What I was looking at was the "current balance" and not the "available balance."

Fine, my bad.

3.) So Paypal retried the money transfer on the 23rd and it failed again because the damn check I deposited was still being held. Fine. But then it used my checking account, which had $6 in it. Hello $36 overdraft fee.

4.) On top of all of this, I apparently had pendings items listed in my checking acount's transacation summarary. So (before I deposited the $120 in it) when I thought I had $2 in the account, I really had negative 50 or so. but since it was listed as pending, I had made the deposit in time to not get hit with an overdraft fee, right? Wrong, I made the deposit after 3pm so it didn't take effect until the next day. So on the 22nd, I said hello $36 overdraft fee #2.

so now, I'm sitting here with a checking account balance of $-160 and $1200 still in my savings account and have been charged two $36 overdraft fees within 3 days. It all stems from the fact that I misread my "available balance" for my savings account.

sigh.

Cliffs:
1. placed an order using paypal, using the funds in my bank account
2. get the stuff 5 days later. 2 days after that, paypal says the transfer was declined and would be reattempted in 3 days.
3. 6 days later, Paypal decided to use my checking account to pay for the order. The order was for $168 and my checking account had $2 in it. Overdraft fee!
4. yesterday, through a complicated string of circumstances, I get hit with a 2nd overdraft fee. Woohoo.
5. QQ.
 

dullard

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1) Deposit at least $200 cash (or transfer) into checking, NOW. That way, if there is another $36 fee, you'll still be in the positive territory and the pain will end. Do it before 3 pm today otherwise you'll have another post tomorrow about how you have 4 fees (and counting) of $36 each.

2) Talk to a banker (not a teller). If you are lucky, they'll drop all fees. If not, they'll probably at least drop it down to just one fee.

3) Stop it from happening again by doing one of the following
a) Link checking to savings (~$10 fee instead of $36).
b) Use CC instead of checks and debit card (no overdrafting possible unless you go crazy and spend up a storm).
c) Pay a bit more attention and realize that the money you deposit may legally be held for over a week (nearly two weeks in some cases). Thus, you have to spend 2 weeks after you deposit.
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: dullard
1) Deposit at least $200 cash (or transfer) into checking, NOW. That way, if there is another $36 fee, you'll still be in the positive territory and the pain will end. Do it before 3 pm today otherwise you'll have another post tomorrow about how you have 4 fees (and counting) of $36 each.

2) Talk to a banker (not a teller). If you are lucky, they'll drop all fees. If not, they'll probably at least drop it down to just one fee.

3) Stop it from happening again by doing one of the following
a) Link checking to savings (~$10 fee instead of $36).
b) Use CC instead of checks and debit card (no overdrafting possible unless you go crazy and spend up a storm).
c) Pay a bit more attention and realize that the money you deposit may legally be held for over a week (nearly two weeks in some cases). Thus, you have to spend 2 weeks after you deposit.

Thanks for the advice. My plan was:
1.) deposit $250 into checking.
2.) call the bank and see about the fees. They seemed pretty decent the previous times I've talked to them.
3.) close my savings account (@ GE Interest Plus) and open a savings account with the same bank as my checking (National City) and link the two accounts.
4.) maybe get a credit card through National City so I don't have to deal with all of this.

As for the paying attention, I know! This is all my fault and could have all been avoided if I had saw the "available balance" instead of the "current balance"

:(
 

zig3695

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please... if you take anything away from this thread- stay away from national city. i didnt have insurance on my house for 4 YEARS because of them. sure, i paid for it... over 2k worth. and they did nothing but slap on a force-placed insurance policy and consequently stole over $3k from my escrow account. it litterally took me 6 months of hell to get through it, i almost lost my house... couldve burned alive and i would have had no insurance, and dealing with national city's corporate people was absolutely awful. they are one of those companies that tell you "go to your local branch to get this sorted." then the local branch says "call the national helpline, we cant do anything"
 

altonb1

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Talk to the bank and see if they will waive some or all of the fees. If this is the 1st time you have had issues like this, or at least no issues in quite awhile, they will usually refund some or all of the fees.
 

TallBill

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Back when my paypal was linked to a credit card and checking I purchased something and checked "funded by credit card" because my checking was low, but it decided to take it out of checking anyways and got bounced.
 
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Back when my paypal was linked to a credit card and checking I purchased something and checked "funded by credit card" because my checking was low, but it decided to take it out of checking anyways and got bounced.

Gotta make sure that when you pay through paypal that you specifically choose the CC as source of funding, otherwise it will usually just default to your checking account.