This is how "easy" and "stable" your AMD system is!!

[alnoor]

This one's too tempting not to reply:



<< alnoor, dont talk bad about amd, or anything if you havent had First hand experiance with it! I purchased my tbird900 system 2months ago, i ditched it for an intel system, even though my last system was a p3 450. I've used both, and no problems. I had no problems with AMD so far, not even a unexpected crash! So, alnoor, be quiet unless u wanna get flamed AGAIN like last time >>



What gave you the facts to say i have or not have &quot;first hand experience with it&quot;, whereas on the other hand you had 2 months experience with an AMD system suddenly gave you all the authority in the world to speak for all amd systems?

And why would I care whether I get flamed on an Internet forum? Is sharing an experience and passing information to others a sin?

How can you fairly say AMD has a stabler platform than Intel? Blame it on lack of drivers poor OS support or what not, users dont care. Do you see AMD hardware running on the trading floor in any brokerage houses? Do you see AMD systems running the show in banks or anywhere with a large onsite user-base? No. Cuz the support heads know Intel will give them a better chance in stability and save hours in support costs (not to mention the cost of the down time caused by unstable systems). No AMD is not ready. Blame it on VIA for bad mobos if you will, but surely something needs to be improved. And AMD sees this too. Their Athlon Assured programme might be the ticket. I'll cross my fingers and see.

Until then, your platform sucks, period.

 

[Adul]

Sucks for you cause you can't et up one properly. No problems here with the 4 systems I have setup on AMD platforms. From a slot A AMD athlon 500 to three durons systems. Need I remind you Anand has his website running with 4 1Ghz tbirds.

 

[Soccerman]

&quot;Do you see AMD hardware running on the trading floor in any brokerage houses? Do you see AMD systems running the show in banks or anywhere with a large onsite user-base?&quot;

yes I do. in fact, ANANDTECH is running AMD computers for his server for this VERY WEBSITE.

why are there still people who buy Intel? becuase of Name Brand recognition. Intel used to own like 90% of the market. if you are running a computer that doesn't need to be upgraded at work, why replace it? if they need to replace it, they have a high chance of going AMD, becuase we get OPTIONs when we go AMD. with Intel, you get a computer with SDRAM, you also have to put up with integrated video. OR you could go with DRDRAM, but that costs a fortune anyway.

so you see, becuase AMD computer give us the option, they automatically get more sales. Freedom is a thing that should NOT be tampered with. Intel is paying DEARLY for it.

oh, and BTW, they have been doing many things to improve compatability. Via's drivers are updated constantly, and newer chipsets are about to come out very soon (3 Athlon chipsets all with DDR support, with multiple flavours of each).

 

[alnoor]

<< yes I do. in fact, ANANDTECH is running AMD computers for his server for this VERY WEBSITE. >>



How hard do you think it is to maintain a few servers compared to hundreds of workstations across an office block?



<< if they need to replace it, they have a high chance of going AMD, becuase we get OPTIONs when we go AMD. with Intel, you get a computer with SDRAM, you also have to put up with integrated video. OR you could go with DRDRAM, but that costs a fortune anyway. >>



Why do corporates need OPTIONS with hardware? Do you think it's ok to have customized hardware for each and every user in the office? Who's going to support that?

You have no real experience with the outside world. Do I hear people talking out of their depths here?!

 

[NaughtyusMaximus]

I see at least one person talking out of his depth.
Now go away before I taunt you a second time.

 

[chiwawa626]

i didnt say anything about stablity and stuff......another reason for the tbirds stablitiy problems (ones i havent felt) may be beacuse its a new chip, the p3's have been around for a while and have gotten very stable

also, i dont care if u get flamed, just reminding u

and what experiance with amd's do you have, that is grater then my 2months with my system? The problems at your company could be the techie's puting the systems togather not reading the manual!

&quot;Until then, your platform sucks, period. &quot;

well hmmm.... have u ever used my system........when setting it up, i had not even one problem......also, howcome we dont here smart techies like anand, and hardocp guys, and overclockers.com saying that AMD SUCKS.? Mabey most of the problems are end-user? if it was hardware problems, dont u think all of us would feel them. becuase every amd tbird/duron owner here is not having problems, just the new ones for user errors, then they fix them.

 

[rockhard]

Alnoor

Ur not trying to tell us u go round each and every computer maintaining it personally?
Surely as an admin ur goin to maintain them software wise from a central Admin workstation yeah?
This would make the maintaining of a mixed (INTEL &amp; AMD) not such a hard task for someone with the relevant experience in the Network admin field yeah?
The only thing i can concede being difficult being bios upgrades, but hell Intel systems need em too occasionally u know.
Ive only just started learning about this kinda thing so please feel free to flame me.

rockhard =)

 

[Soccerman]

sure, some companies need newer computers (say they're running P2 350mhz computers). if they need newer computers, they OBVIOUSLY need faster computers. if you want speed, you have to pay for it. if you want to run a company you have to save as much money. if you want that, you can't get speed, AND cost effectiveness out of Intel without going DRDRAM, or possibly 815 (hard to find, and also has integrated video, which is a limitation of POWER).

AGAIN, it comes down to flexibility. limit someone's freedom, and you'll be in trouble, becuase they will no longer have anything to lose.

 

[Rectalfier]

Alnoor,

Big Business buys computers from companies like Compaq or Gateway. They do not buy computers from people like you, those who have no idea of what they are doing. Do not insult others because of your own insolence.

 

[alnoor]

Rockhard, I'm not gunna &quot;flame you&quot; but perhaps you might find this useful:

Yes you maintain via a support hub and that's for os/software problems only. Once it's locked up (unstable systems) how do you think you can remote into that machine? Or if it couldnt even manage to boot into windows?

You dont really &quot;upgrade&quot; a BIOS in corporate machines (there are exceptions of course)...usually you buy the user a new one. You can't risk hosing the machine if the flash fails and give downtime to users.

We're not even getting close to the point in this thread are we?

 

[Deeko]

<< How can you fairly say AMD has a stabler platform than Intel? >>


How can YOU fairly say that Intel has a stabler platform than AMD? Because of that one thing you showed us? Wow, one bad experience. How many good experiences are there? Why don't you show us some of them? Oh right....that might prove you wrong...whoops we don't want that to happen do we?

 

[rockhard]

Alnoor

So if u say have 100 pre-built PC's ready to go out of the box from one of the big names like Compaq it SHOULD hardware wise already be sorted.
Then ur going to do a network OS deployment via ghosting from a pre-configured HD image of a working config. This being created on an identical PC in isolation which has been thoroughly tested for a while to make sure everything is ok before comitting ur network deployment yeah?
If these steps are followed and the Admin leaves the Hardware side of things to the Hardware supplier then i cant see what the problem would be.
If ur buying this many Workstations then u are likely to get one of their Hardware techs onsite to help make sure the hardware deployment goes smoothly. A big name aint goin to sell u this many workstations, deliver them to u and then say &quot;Weve done our bit now ur on ur own!&quot;

If companys followed this kind of deployment instead of saying here u are Mr. Admin, get the bits and get it up and running for us, cant see why there would be any problem with an Intel, AMD or mixed network deployment.
If the guys on this message board can put a AMD rig together with no probs then surely a big name supplier would have no problem at all with AMD and they'd offer the backup to boot if things go wrong which it appears ur admins (correct me if im wrong) appear unable to at the present?

Im not having a go at u Alnoor or ur admins, but if big name corporate suppliers are starting to supply AMD solutions then surely they must feel there's some mileage in a AMD systems stability/reliability? If this was not the case then they'd be nuts to go down that road or they'd end up digging a big hole for themselves

Again please feel free to criticise my above observations/statements as i am only a hobbyist.
Heh, u might even teach me something while ur at it


rockhard =)

 

[SSP]

You're such an expert, that you could only find a POS site hosted on Tripod.

 

[BA]

Yeah, whoever made this site really knows what they're talking about..

Put your board on a non-conductive surface, like a wood desk. Leave all of the products on non-conductive bags to avoid static.

Or the pictures of the thermal paste. Everyone knows you must coat the entire bottom of the heatsink, since it's all in contact with that massive core on the duron.

And I kinda wonder why he's running at 95x10

 

[rockhard]

why wouldnt alnoor reply to my earlier post?

If the big guns are having a go with AMD then why's alnoor not prepared to criticise their decision?

Grrrr, i was hoping he was going to put his head in the noose

 

[Bignate603]

My AMD system was set up in all of 1 and a half hours, windows install included. There was one small snag when it wouldn't boot, but that took 5 seconds to fix, the cpu fan had not been plugged in so my motherboard refused to boot, in order to save the processor. Computer building could never be easier. I'm an amateur (i think i spelled that right) and it was mad easy. This guy needs help. If this shows his skill, he's lucky his computer works AT ALL.

 

[Cosmic_Horror]

*yawn*

a well set up system will run well and stable, regardless of whether the cpu is AMD or an Intel product.


The presents of Amd in the cpu market place drives intel prices down and gives all consumers more choice and better prices. If you don't wish to use a particular brand cpu/ motherboard ramvideo card etc etc etc then don't.

oh and please don't give me that rubbish about educating the unknowning by pusblishing threads purely based to cause flaming.

 

[NicColt]

The website was intended to be a small guide to learn from this setup, not everyone is a computer specialist that knows everything. I have had correspondence from people who have always wanted to do this at a cheap price and for most of them it was their first time building their own computer. Some of them have never installed a card in their life and have found the information valuable.

Second, if the components such as video, sound and nic cards would work better together it would have been less of a problem but it's not always the case. also I wanted to learn from this and I have, I also wanted to see if I can take my present system and just transfer it and I have, there were tweeks involved but they were fixed and working fine. Give me the same components again and if I reformat my hard disk and do a clean install I would have this back up in no time but that's not what I wanted to do.

&quot;And a lot of valuable hours you could have spent working on a STABLE P3 platform instead.&quot;

Yes but for about $350 more that what this setup cost me, and I didn't want to be gouged by intel for going that route. Not everyone has money to burn.

So modern computing with AMD means spending weeks just to get Windows stable
Unfortunetly you didn't quote everything and took most of it out of context. But let me put the record straight again, if I were to run the cpu and video card with released drivers at stock speed with a clean install it would be perfectly stable but if you want to push it to it's limits with beta drivers, it's done through trial and error and you just have to find the maximum safe envelope to run it at and that may take some time. I also said in the webpage that &quot;If you were to follow every recommendation from Asus and AMD and have the absolute minimum system setup possible you would not have any problems. However most of us are power users and are upgrading from one system or another, which means we are taking parts from old system and putting them into a new system that may not have proper drivers or approved parts and pushing it to it's limits&quot;. and when most of us do this, yes there will be problems. but we learn from them and fix it at the cheapest cost possible and again this is what I have done.

<< every time I played a game it would freeze but windows was rock stable >>
&quot;That's what most people on this board would define &quot;stability&quot;.

Again this is taken out of context because I was overclocking the cpu to the possible max and using beta drivers for the vid card. At stock speed with released drivers I have absolutely no problems.

&quot;Lucky my machine doesn't depend on the weather.&quot;

Unfortunetly not everyone has air conditioning or money to blow on cpu cooling. On very hot days I could only take this Duron 650 (now $64 us at pricewatch.com) to 850 instead of 950 how sad.

&quot;Any unsuspecting users, the story above is very much a real situation with AMD parts so proceed with care when you build your own system&quot;

LOL, yes do take care when building your own system, be intelligent and put things into perspective and read the whole story. Take a look at the two 100W speakers that I have on my desk, that is what you can buy with the money that you would save by choosing AMD over Intel.

I have a very stable system, but when I push it to the max I suspect that my video beta drivers on my old TnT2 are giving me some problems. That's not out of the ordinary, and I take it for what it is. I'm going to get a AIW-Radeon and do a clean install soon and I'm sure that it will fix it. I can wait.

 

[Windogg]

A computer is only a stable as the piece of meat behind the keyboard.

Windogg

 

[Niege]

&quot;Trolling Matilda, trolling Matilda....&quot;

 

[SSP]

NicColt, Thanks for clearing that out. I didn't read the review, cause I thought it was a biased POS (from the quotes I read). I'll watch out next time. For a second there, I actually thought alnoor was smarter then GUTB.

Shows what kind of troll you really are alnoor.

 

[jinsonxu]

quote A computer is only a stable as the piece of meat behind the keyboard.

Windogg


Fantastic line! hehe

Now, the country i'm living in has an average room temperature of 31-32 degrees C. I've no airconditioning in my home at all. And i've tested my Duron at all speeds up to 1070Mhz. True, if the weather was cooler as it'd be by 3-4 degrees in December, i might get to 1.1Ghz. This depends on your luck in getting a higher quality chip. I don't believe Intel has every celeron 566 able to clock to 850Mhz nor every PIII 700E able to do 933Mhz either.

Overclocking is merely a bonus. Even a 50Mhz gain is 50Mhz more which was free of charge.

 

[Rigoletto]

>duh<
Do you really think AMD is so dumb as to make millions of chips that don't work right? How do you explain the fact that millions of people are not complaining and that AMD has such a good reputation in the press?
I have not seen recalls and FPU bugs from AMD like Intel, but even Intel does pretty well really.
My AMD was my first system I built and I never had a hardware problem with it, only with dumb Windows 95 that doesn't like AGP or USB. But it never did.

 

[ColdTech]

Hmmmm Isnt that interesting..... The only Problems I have had at all with my system was with dx7.0a &amp; My gf with the detonator 3 drivers... Wich a friend of mine had on his P3... So All Those Problems would lead me to believe that you were having a very simple problem... Tell Me If this sounds familiar...

[END USER] caused a ID10T error in module [BETWEEN KEYBOARD &amp; CHAIR]


I Would Bet thats what you had going on.... Oh &amp; Anyone With half a brian would know that if you are gonna switch motherboards its best just to format your drive &amp; reload... Especially when using either Ali or Via...

 

[RawHotSauce]

<< Until then, your platform sucks, period >>




lol