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This is getting pretty absurd.

ruffilb

Diamond Member
In the FEAR demo ALONE, there's a scene where a child walks through pools and pools of blood, and the only way to get out is to follow her bloody footprints on the floor... during a cutscene, a posessed man slits the throat of a security guard, not only are both figures covered in blood, but there's blood spurting from the guard's neck. The posessed man is later seen EATING a scientist. There's blood on his MOUTH and blood all over the corpse, and pool of blood on the floor. This comes default with the game.

ESRB rating: MA.

GTA:SA scene with sex, no actual genitalia. For all we know they could be using protection. You can't even view the scene without intentionally downloading a fix off the internet and installing it. In other words, if you want to watch the scene in GTA:SA, you already have access to the INTERNET, *gasp* that huge dipository of hardcore porn (and a few other things, like MSN Style, but C'mon)

ESRB rating: MA, changed to AO because of this recent scandal. This is an important distinction - It's not the violence, it's the SEX.

Meanwhile, we have things going on like THIS (Grandmother SUING for unlocked content - I know it's a repost. )

Totally absurd... even the DEFINITION of indecency, for things like the FCC, just involves sex and language. Not violence.

The only things defined as indecent by the FCC are sex and foul language. Not violence. Considering that sex is innately an act of creation and mutual joy, or at least momentary happiness, and violence is innately the opposite, why is sex considered indecent and violence isn't?

Furthurmore, is this coming to the internet next? We've seen what companies such as microsoft have done to try to promote DRM, and I'm sure that the government would have no problem with attempting to do some pretty crazy things, if it looked as if they're making a major effort. We're seeing games like GTA get shafted for sex because of a 3rd party hack that you have to download off of the internet intentionally, and that's just for the PC - you have to have a modded console to unlock it there. Anyone with an unmonitored internet connection has almost surely seen things much worse - gotse, for example, comes to mind, and that's if they're NOT looking for it, as they would have to be in the case of this hack...

I don't have problems with sex. If everyone stopped having sex, we'd be screwed (or not, heh...). It's
A. The fact that the very people that go out to protest this game go home to their children, put them to bed, and have sex with their spouse, and
B. The fact that this increasingly protective stance on sex does NOT have an increasingly protective stance on violence.

Violence is truly the problem. It's common knowlege that the MA rating doesn't mean anything. Halo was Ma, and it was everyone's favourite game. No one thought twice about playing that with their children, their friends, at a party infront of their parents, anything. "Wow, what a nice headshot" becomes a common compliment, bloodied corpses flying across the screen.

But OMGWTFSEX?!???/??//? can't have any of that... It just doesn't make much since in my book; my definition of a hotfix for GTA:SA would be to add an advertisement for condoms before the sex scene... It's the job of parents to talk to their teenagers about these things because this is NOT something you can stumble upon, dispite how much the media twists otherwise. Being an MA rated game, people under 17 shouldn't be playing it anyway, and because it's not going to be stocked in as many stores now, this is solving consumer ignorance by removing consumer decision. People OVER 17, however, vary VERY little from the demographic of people over EIGHTEEN, and considering that
...more than half of American teens DO abstain from intercourse until age 17, and that a quarter of them at 20 still have not had heterosexual intercourse. These same studies show that informative sex education has not increased sexual activity, pregnancy or the number of sexual partners, and has in fact, succeeded in that, "Teenagers who start having intercourse following a sexuality education program are more likely to use contraception than those who have not participated in a program. (SIECUS)."
More than half, until age 17, right? So at 17, the recommended age for this game, at least 50% of the players will have had sex of their own, and you can bet that the other 0-50% of teens know full well what it entails. If they don't, you can also assume that they'll never get their hands on the game, even if it's rated Early Childhood.

Sorry if that was long. It's 2:34, and well... Read my sig 😉

~Ruff_ilb
 
that's all fine a dandy, but it still doesn't negate the fact that i am tired of hearing about it one way or the other

I frankly dont care if it has an Ao rating or MA... I also don't care if neigbor boy johnny doesnt get to play it because he's 17.

edit: /$.02
 
Originally posted by: dugweb
that's all fine a dandy, but it still doesn't negate the fact that i am tired of hearing about it one way or the other

I frankly dont care if it has an Ao ration or MA... I also don't care if neigbor boy johnny doesnt get to play it because he's 17.

edit: /$.02

Neither am I, that's the point. It's the fact that the distinction is made not on the real basis of the meaning of the rating, but simply because stores wont carry the item, thereby removing consumer choice, even if they didn't intend to do this. I don't care about neigbor boy johnny any more than you do, but I do care about having to haul ass down to wherever to pick up a game, get carded, etc, because wal-mart won't carry it. It also gives rockstar a bad name and an even worse paycheck.
 
It's not a surprise that American culture is sexually retarded, and has been that way for quite some time.

The Euros are quite a bit more open culturally to human sexuality and are better off because of it.

The evidence that our society rides the sexual short bus is clear. Take, for example, the uproar over Janet's breast during the Super Bowl. Something so benign as the female breast, which every child from a day old infant to a pre-pubescent teen knows about, was the focus of the news, various rights groups, and government agencies for weeks.

Now with Congress getting involved in this sham over GTA: SA, what I have told you is only once again confirmed.

For the love of God, if you are raising or plan to raise a child anytime now or in the future, teach them about human sexuality so they aren't as retarded as the parents and leaders of this country.
 
Originally posted by: JoeKing
we were founded by Puritans

/end thread

Puritan doesn't mean what you think it does. Specifically, they wanted a purer church, in england. In fact, part of the whole puritan dilemma is that you're supposed to be successful in life, while looking towards god, dispite the fact that you can't determine your fate, and that while you look towards luxury and pleasure as sinful, you accept that they exist and you can't do anything about them. Besides, the original founders did a pretty good job of striking a balance - not to mention, they had too many things on their hands (differing - "Dangerous" - points of views) that came before their attempts to regulate things such as booze, much less sex.
 
Yeah, I do agree that it's getting absurd how the media/government doesn't really care about the extreme violence which sometimes disgusts but goes crazy over anything sex related.
 
Even though I dont agree with it, the rationale is simple:

Most know better than to go out and blast someones head off, so theyre not going to be affected by the violence. On the other had, people have sex all the time, and the last thing we need to do is give little kids and teens easily mimicable ideas.
 
what pisses me off most is that the GT:SA thing is a patch, the content is not accessible without applying it. jus tplain retarded:|
 
Unfortunately thats all true. Never played the FEAR demo, but according to what I've heard, its got some sick sh!t in it. Now I'm all for making games bigger and better, but when did we as a nation get hooked on someone cutting someone elses throat? I play HL2 and Doom3 but come on, its gotta stop at a point. Never played GTA:SA, but the graphics don't look half as good as FEAR and i think that someone would definitely replicate something that looks extremely similar to life. My $.02

Sry, if this makes no sense, just got back from an all-nighter w/ some friends and some imported russian booze.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton

The Euros are quite a bit more open culturally to human sexuality and are better off because of it.

That's one of the most retarded statements I've read on OT in a long while. I would love to hear an explanation of how Europeans are better off than us in respect to sex.

Considering that sex is innately an act of creation and mutual joy, or at least momentary happiness, and violence is innately the opposite

that's true... But that's an attribute of sex that isn't necessarily inherant. It's because of the sacred nature of the way our society treats sex that it is that way. (don't read to much into the word 'sacred'... think 'special' if you want)

Obviously Hillary Clinton is an idiot and doesn't understand wtf she is talking about when it comes to videogames... but playing porn on prime time is not in this countries best interests (which is sounds like to some of you would be the only way you would consider America on par with the rest of the world 'sexually').
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Even though I dont agree with it, the rationale is simple:

Most know better than to go out and blast someones head off, so theyre not going to be affected by the violence. On the other had, people have sex all the time, and the last thing we need to do is give little kids and teens easily mimicable ideas.

Yes, but this rationale is PROMPTLY turned on its head whenever something happens like columbine, or other minor cases of teens killing. If the cases aren't flat out blamed on video games, there's at least a suggestion of blame there.

Originally posted by: ArtVandalay
Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
*goes to download fear demo*

Do it, it kicks booty! Scary though 😉
 
Sex and violence aren't the problem, it's worthless parents who can't teach their kids the difference between fantasy and reality. Or those looking to make a quick buck in court.

This country needs to stop allowing parents to shift responibility of their kids onto others.
 
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