this inauguration is gonna be lit.

[Jhhnn]

This particular incident is apparently a nothing burger-

“It was an honest mistake,” Beeler explained after being released. In a tear-filled interview, he said he has spent the past week working as hired security in downtown Washington ahead of the inauguration. He said he forgot that his firearm was in his truck when he left his home in Virginia, where he said he has a license to carry. He said he realized it was there halfway through his trip but that he was running late, so he didn’t turn around. He denied that he had the more than 500 rounds of ammunition listed in his arrest report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...story.html#click=[URL]https://t.co/R5qi7XYE22

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His story & history check out. He was released on PR.

 

[shortylickens]

I dunno man. I live in Virginia. I know better than to just leave a loaded gun and boxes of ammo sitting in the car. When you get home from the range you absolutely positively have to bring that shit inside with you. Its a serious liability. If some dude breaks into your car and steals your gun he can kill you. He can kill your neighbors. He can sell it to some asshole who kills any number of people anywhere in the world. And if they dont scrape off the serial number the cops will trace it back to you.
Even if he doesnt use the gun for crime, you just lost your gun. Thats a lot of money and also personal protection just gone. Its not a good situation to be in.

I also know better than to leave Virginia with a loaded gun and go into DC. You know damn well thats not allowed. Its supposed to be a serious fuckin crime. I'm actually surprised they released him. I think it was deliberate and he lied his balls off.

 

[Jaskalas]

Almost everyone is blaming the internet. But I still think Fox is the most responsible for how divided the country is....

Divided? That's just what humans do.
Fox was first, but the internet has superseded it in every way possible.

But when did it reach "inevitable" status, though?
Last week?
November?
2016? When did you admit to yourself that it was truly inevitable?

With the results of the 2020 election, it dawned on me how far "fake news" will take us as a civilization. For half the population to belong to an alt-reality bubble. The notion of Democracy breaks down without consent of the governed, and you cannot have that without a common underlying reality and shared sense of purpose. We've lost it all, nothing but the use of force holds this nation together at this point. And the cohesion of that force will slowly be eroded until it is directed in multiple directions.

In 2020 I realized that 2016 was the inevitable opening of a civil war. We turned a page, but it goes back so much further than that.

Economic anxiety made him do it.

It actually did. Starting 40 years ago. Reagan changed the political landscape of America. Democrats reacted by chasing moderates and Clinton won big. That set the stage. Trickle down was left unchecked for too long, and now THE GAP has primed a desperate people for violent revolt. Modern communication has shaped their desperation into a very sick form, Trump is the pinnacle of it but he won't be the disaster. That will be a younger and more successful charismatic figure, one that won't be nearly as retarded as Trump. Someone who can play the game and charm enough of our military to do the deed and finally finish us off.

This is modern American politics and the end of our Republic.

After 2020 I am not sure any election can change this. Just like you will not win the lottery tomorrow. Just because it _could_ be saved, does not mean it will be. I believe human nature forbids our path from being changed, now that our course has been set. American politics does not allow the necessary solution to our economic woe. Nor would our radicalized people accept it even if we could. These mad dogs would bite the hand that feeds them. Under some alt-reality belief that your hand is tyranny. We are one people no longer and some day the use of our military force will reflect that. Any cohesion that exists among them today is an echo of a bygone past, a resolve that cannot hold long against the sands of time.

I don't expect us to know how to, or to accept a peaceful divorce.

 

[zinfamous]

Divided? That's just what humans do.
Fox was first, but the internet has superseded it in every way possible.



With the results of the 2020 election, it dawned on me how far "fake news" will take us as a civilization. For half the population to belong to an alt-reality bubble. The notion of Democracy breaks down without consent of the governed, and you cannot have that without a common underlying reality and shared sense of purpose. We've lost it all, nothing but the use of force holds this nation together at this point. And the cohesion of that force will slowly be eroded until it is directed in multiple directions.

In 2020 I realized that 2016 was the inevitable opening of a civil war. We turned a page, but it goes back so much further than that.



It actually did. Starting 40 years ago. Reagan changed the political landscape of America. Democrats reacted by chasing moderates and Clinton won big. That set the stage. Trickle down was left unchecked for too long, and now THE GAP has primed a desperate people for violent revolt. Modern communication has shaped their desperation into a very sick form, Trump is the pinnacle of it but he won't be the disaster. That will be a younger and more successful charismatic figure, one that won't be nearly as retarded as Trump. Someone who can play the game and charm enough of our military to do the deed and finally finish us off.

This is modern American politics and the end of our Republic.

After 2020 I am not sure any election can change this. Just like you will not win the lottery tomorrow. Just because it _could_ be saved, does not mean it will be. I believe human nature forbids our path from being changed, now that our course has been set. American politics does not allow the necessary solution to our economic woe. Nor would our radicalized people accept it even if we could. These mad dogs would bite the hand that feeds them. Under some alt-reality belief that your hand is tyranny. We are one people no longer and some day the use of our military force will reflect that. Any cohesion that exists among them today is an echo of a bygone past, a resolve that cannot hold long against the sands of time.

I don't expect us to know how to, or to accept a peaceful divorce.

well...that's way more pessimistic than even myself, to be honest...but eh, here we go!

So, how about let's start with getting through the next month, shall we? What say that?

 

[Jaskalas]

well...that's way more pessimistic than even myself, to be honest...but eh, here we go!

So, how about let's start with getting through the next month, shall we? What say that?

Oh I think we will "make it the next month", mostly because Trump is a joke and the JCS have definitively stated that Biden WILL be our next President. Despite Trump's minions really, truly, believing that they'll get a military coup to prevent the inauguration. I suspect that, however much Trump and the MyPillow guy want one, they got little to no military support.

But that's not for lack of want on part of our people. It's just that our decay is still early. And Trump isn't nearly good enough of a leader to orchestrate the end of a Republic. It takes time for our society, turning the page, to be reflected in our strongest institution. QAnon folks will need to make it through to reach Colonels and Generals first.

If we are to survive longer, they'd need to be able to fully and successfully filter out these idiots from the armed services. And that means half the population is ineligible due to that alone. Then each Republican President will want to weaken their resolve and instill lackeys. So... uh, good luck?

But there are other ways to erode the Republic than by achieving direct complicity from our military leadership. But I digress.....

2016 gave me hope as I resolved where I stood, and economically there ARE solutions.
2020 gave me despair as I learned that even a Trump backlash won't allow us to outright win elections and achieve the power needed to fix things.
America's disease is DEEP, and I don't think there's a political solution.

 

[Amol S.]

Virginia man arrested with fake inaugural credentials, loaded gun and 500 rounds of ammo

A Virginia man with fake inaugural credentials, a loaded handgun and more than 500 rounds of ammunition was busted while trying to pass through a U.S. Capitol Police checkpoint in downtown Washingt…

www.baltimoresun.com

Possible Trump nutter had fake credentials and tried to sneak in.

And I bet somehow the conservative pundits will try to spin it so he looks like a very fine American.

According to CNN he had a hand gun ... 100 hundred magazines, for the handgun, that was located under his armrest and glove compartment... 1,000 rounds for an Assault Rifle that he had, no license for all those items, and an invalid ticket pass to the inaguration. They only convicted him for unlicenced handling of those items??? All those items look like something that would have been used to assassinate the president and more people.

 

[shortylickens]

According to CNN he had a hand gun ... 100 hundred magazines, for the handgun, that was located under his armrest and glove compartment... 1,000 rounds for an Assault Rifle that he had, no license for all those items, and an invalid ticket pass to the inaguration. They only convicted him for unlicenced handling of those items??? All those items look like something that would have been used to assassinate the president and more people.

You dont need a license in Virginia. He bought all of that in Virginia. So his crime was carrying legal weapons into DC illegally. And yes, given the recent attack on the capital by armed men from other states and the fact he used fake credentials to sneak in, I am shocked he was allowed out into the world.

 

[dawp]

I wish they would stop calling this a protest, it stopped being a protest once the capitol was breached and entered insurrection domain.

 

[Perknose]

That Agent00f guy who was on here berating everyone who wasn't him, at one point poured scorn on the notion that the Great Depression had any causative role in the rise to power of the original Nazis. That's the point where I decided this dismissal of economic factors has clearly gone a bit too far.

It's the economy, Herr Obergruppenfurher!

 

[Perknose]

I also know better than to leave Virginia with a loaded gun and go into DC. You know damn well thats not allowed. Its supposed to be a serious fuckin crime. I'm actually surprised they released him. I think it was deliberate and he lied his balls off.

Could be. Hence my particular nightmare . . . SMARTER, more clever nutter violent conspiracy right wing types.

 

[Muse]

I think it was inevitable Trump would attempt to seize power at some point. He'd have been in a better position down the road had he won re-election. The mind fuckery would have become intense, I'm sure. This particular outcome became inevitable with the Stop the Steal lie. Trump ran out of legal chicanery when the EC voted a month ago, so he set up this lame insurrection attempt. He's all in & long past the point where one more felony really matters.

It seems to me that Trump was living for Jan. 6. Those 3 hours of TV watching his crowd get violent was the adrenalin rush he was looking for. Well, he got that. Now, he has to suffer the consequences. The Trump brand is trashed forever.

 

[Jhhnn]

According to CNN he had a hand gun ... 100 hundred magazines, for the handgun, that was located under his armrest and glove compartment... 1,000 rounds for an Assault Rifle that he had, no license for all those items, and an invalid ticket pass to the inaguration. They only convicted him for unlicenced handling of those items??? All those items look like something that would have been used to assassinate the president and more people.

That's not what your link says.

 

[Heartbreaker]

How about strong(er) truth-in-journalism laws? Faux wanted to move in on the Canadian market and Canada was like fuck no, we have laws against lying. We need to do the same.

And I know Fox was already taken to court and won the case based on a defense of, "viewers should know it's not all factual blah blah bullshit". That shit shouldn't fly. They obviously present themselves as a news organization when it's almost purely opinion based on lies. They need to be shut down.

How did we get so many fucktarded Americans? Educational system is obviously shit, but goddamn. Do we blame schools, or do we blame Reagan for closing the loony bins? IDK how you can ignore reality like these fuckers do.

I get that they don't see the same reality that I do, but how do they see anything other than verifiable facts? Because they are fed by an organization claiming to be "fair and balanced news" when it's purely propaganda. Then you have imbeciles spouting the nonsense on the floors of congress.

It doesn't matter if the bullshit on the floor convinces the other members present. It's just more fuel for the idiot base if they see the clip of it on Faux or their favorite conservative bacefook or twitter feed. If members of congress want to continually claim debunked conspiracies, they aught to be censured.

The liars need to stop frothing the idiots.

While I agree with the sentiment. The reality is that Americans have also been trained to worship the constitution, like a second Bible. Stronger truth-in-journalism laws, get into 1st Amendment "freedom of speech" territory, because you are specifically talking about government making laws to stop the lies.

Unlike the current whining about the freedom of speech, when Nazis are kicked off the internet by companies, which isn't a 1st amendment issue, in this case it would actually be.

You saw how much they complained when wrong, imagine how much they will complain when it really is 1st amendment, and it directly targets Fox to stop the lies. Fox would have it's army in the streets screaming government censorship, and on the legal font it would probably go to Trumps hand picked Supreme Court and get shot down.

Which is why I said, there doesn't seem to be a practical Remedy in the USA. Other countries with less of a fetish over, now out of touch, documents written centuries ago, can actually enact modern laws to protect citizens from these Toxic lies.

But the USA can't.

It will take a fundamental shift before the USA can deal with this, and that shift is NOT on the horizon.

 

[shortylickens]

Its already been established in supreme court rulings that freedom of speech doesn't protect deliberately dangerous statements. You cant scream "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater and call it freedom of speech. Defamation of character is not protected, supposedly, but politicians and pundits get away with it all the time.
I sincerely hope somebody somewhere accuses Donald of stepping outside the first amendment when they impeach him. Or charge him after he leaves office. He basically yelled "FIRE!" across the world and thousand of people showed up and committed serious violence.

 

[cytg111]

I think as soon as Rupert Murdoch launched a news network is was all inevitable. My only hope is he dies soon and his successor chooses not to run blatant propaganda anymore.

This. So much this.
Though I wouldnt count on hope to make it happen.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Its already been established in supreme court rulings that freedom of speech doesn't protect deliberately dangerous statements. You cant scream "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater and call it freedom of speech. Defamation of character is not protected, supposedly, but politicians and pundits get away with it all the time.
I sincerely hope somebody somewhere accuses Donald of stepping outside the first amendment when they impeach him. Or charge him after he leaves office. He basically yelled "FIRE!" across the world and thousand of people showed up and committed serious violence.

Great, then it's already no problem? How's it been working so far?

Back in practical reality, we are talking about implementing a Law similar to the "Fairness Doctrine", to curtail the lies of Fox news.

BTW Snopes covers the claim that Reagan paved the Way for Fox news. It appears Fox News would not have been covered by it, even if was still in place because the "Fairness Doctrine" only covered broadcast licenses and would have left cable channels free to do what they want.

They also note, that the chance of expanding it to include Cable were nil:
The Supreme Court has recognized that regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine, when applied to the print media, are not constitutional. If regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine could not withstand strict scrutiny when applied to the print media, it appears unlikely that similar regulations would withstand such scrutiny when applied to cable or satellite providers.

ZERO chance of passing such a law today given precedent and a stacked SC.

 

[gothuevos]

Divided? That's just what humans do.
Fox was first, but the internet has superseded it in every way possible.



With the results of the 2020 election, it dawned on me how far "fake news" will take us as a civilization. For half the population to belong to an alt-reality bubble. The notion of Democracy breaks down without consent of the governed, and you cannot have that without a common underlying reality and shared sense of purpose. We've lost it all, nothing but the use of force holds this nation together at this point. And the cohesion of that force will slowly be eroded until it is directed in multiple directions.

In 2020 I realized that 2016 was the inevitable opening of a civil war. We turned a page, but it goes back so much further than that.



It actually did. Starting 40 years ago. Reagan changed the political landscape of America. Democrats reacted by chasing moderates and Clinton won big. That set the stage. Trickle down was left unchecked for too long, and now THE GAP has primed a desperate people for violent revolt. Modern communication has shaped their desperation into a very sick form, Trump is the pinnacle of it but he won't be the disaster. That will be a younger and more successful charismatic figure, one that won't be nearly as retarded as Trump. Someone who can play the game and charm enough of our military to do the deed and finally finish us off.

This is modern American politics and the end of our Republic.

After 2020 I am not sure any election can change this. Just like you will not win the lottery tomorrow. Just because it _could_ be saved, does not mean it will be. I believe human nature forbids our path from being changed, now that our course has been set. American politics does not allow the necessary solution to our economic woe. Nor would our radicalized people accept it even if we could. These mad dogs would bite the hand that feeds them. Under some alt-reality belief that your hand is tyranny. We are one people no longer and some day the use of our military force will reflect that. Any cohesion that exists among them today is an echo of a bygone past, a resolve that cannot hold long against the sands of time.

I don't expect us to know how to, or to accept a peaceful divorce.

Well it doesn't help that any economic policy proposed to help said people is instantly shot down as "OMG socialism!"

 

[Jaskalas]

I wish they would stop calling this a protest, it stopped being a protest once the capitol was breached and entered insurrection domain.

For the hard headed out there, I assume we call it a riot when laws are broken and violence is used?
Then we call that Riot an Insurrection when it violates the Capitol and targets an active session of Congress?

They'll want to throw praise around that the insurrection did not involve the use of guns, the outright killing (in mass) of the defenders, nor the burning of the building with only minimal looting. They want credit for it being less violent and destructive than it easily could have been.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sure there was sleazy political operatives before.

They never had a dedicated propaganda amplifier until Fox.

There is one thing that Americans do to Excess and that's watch TV.

Forget minutes/day of political ads, during election season.

Fox was hours/day 365 days/year of mainlined propaganda. That was the game changer that fried the right wing brain.

And what I call "the Three Hours of Hate" line up Fox has on every weekday evening. Ingraham, Tucker, and Hannity. Magnified by the fact that at least Hannity was coordinating messages with the administration, that makes it State TV.

 

[MtnMan]

You dont need a license in Virginia. He bought all of that in Virginia. So his crime was carrying legal weapons into DC illegally. And yes, given the recent attack on the capital by armed men from other states and the fact he used fake credentials to sneak in, I am shocked he was allowed out into the world.

As a concealed carry holder, it is up to that person to understand if that is honored in other states, especially nearby states were you are likely to travel.

The District of Columbia does not honor carry permits from any state. The same is true for Maryland.

Which also includes Colorado, which means that Boebert cannot carry her gun as she claims. She has two options, apply for a non-resident permit, or leave her gun in Colorado.

 

[hal2kilo]

This. So much this.
Though I wouldnt count on hope to make it happen.

More and more my thoughts are paralleling others. Must think of the Karma implecations.

 

[shortylickens]

ALL THE CAPITOL MURDERS ON A SINGLE WEB SITE!

Capitol protest tracker: What happened at capitols across the US on Sunday

Nothing yet.

 

[cytg111]

More and more my thoughts are paralleling others. Must think of the Karma implecations.

One could seek a job in said corporation and "wear a wire". If you are in the IT department odds are that you know the nexuses of data flows... Information is king. (i know what you mean).

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Which one of you snatched the armored Humvee from the California Guard?

 

[shortylickens]

Which one of you snatched the armored Humvee from the California Guard?

On one of those police shows had a tiny crackhead who stole a cop car while she was locked in the back. So yeah, my votes on her.