This election will be Bush/Dukakis all over again.

[spaceman]

has all the hype.
but when the the nation speaks in Nov.
John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.
and yes, you can book it.

polls schmolls.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't recall Dukakis having much "hype," to borrow your expression.

I don't see much comparison between the two elections, except in the sense that Dukakis and Kerry are both Massachusetts liberals. The elder Bush was a centrist in most respects, and fiscally conservative, whereas GWB is extremely conservative socially but extraordinarily liberal fiscally. GWB is an incumbent, whereas his father was not. The polls show a tremendous (unprecedented, in fact) polarization of the electorate in the present election, and relatively very few undecided voters, which was not at all the case in 1988.

As for the outcome, I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see President Bush win, nor would I be surprised to see Sen Kerry win. We shall see . . .

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: ncircle
has all the hype.
but when the the nation speaks in Nov.
John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.
and yes, you can book it.

polls schmolls.

You are 100% he wont be going to disneyland. He will be too busy deciding on his cabinet and preparing for his new residence.

Bush on the other hand will be able to actually take a vaction where he doesnt have to act like he is working.

 

[Todd33]

Or it will be Bush vs Clinton all over again.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Or it will be Bush vs Clinton all over again.

I'm thinking it will be more like "Bear vs Ninja."

 

[Perknose]

There is far more fervor on both sides than Bush vs Dukakis.

I can't say who will win, but I do think it will be by a razor thin margin either way.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DonVito

As for the outcome, I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see President Bush win, nor would I be surprised to see Sen Kerry win. We shall see . . .

Absolutely, the Country is a heck of a lot more divided. Most say as divided as anyone can ever recall.

 

[Todd33]

He's a uniter, not a divider.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: ncircle
has all the hype.
but when the the nation speaks in Nov.
John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.
and yes, you can book it.

polls schmolls.

When did President Bush get into a tank wearing a helmet that made him look dumb(er)? What a missed photo op!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: ncircle
has all the hype.
but when the the nation speaks in Nov.
John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.
and yes, you can book it.

polls schmolls.

When did President Bush get into a tank wearing a helmet that made him look dumb(er)? What a missed photo op!

Landing on that Aircraft Carrier in a Flight Suit with the Banner "Mission Accomplished" in the background

 

[Hossenfeffer]

This presidential race is much more charged than Bush/Dukakis.

 

[spaceman]

one month later:
bookage!
Kerry is going to lose and i am going to be in nipple tugging elation watching the liberals squirm on Nov 2!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: ncircleone month later:
bookage!
Kerry is going to lose and i am going to be in nipple tugging elation watching the liberals squirm on Nov 2!

You choose to post this on the day that polls of individual states finally put Kerry in the lead? I agree with you that Bush will win. But it just seemed an odd day to say that.

 

[Bulk Beef]

nipple tugging elation

Sure didn't need to read that.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Todd33
He's a uniter, not a divider.

I sure hope you're talking about Kerry, because otherwise you're terribly, terribly wrong. I don't see either one of them being a uniter, but Bush much less so than Kerry.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Todd33
He's a uniter, not a divider.

You're absolutely correct... It's the RBH's that are dividing the nation.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Todd33
He's a uniter, not a divider.

I sure hope you're talking about Kerry, because otherwise you're terribly, terribly wrong. I don't see either one of them being a uniter, but Bush much less so than Kerry.

Kerry is getting many Republicans behind him. Sounds like more of a uniter to me.

Bush divided this nation with his little revenge romp into Iraq at the bequest of the PNAC chickenhawks. He also tossed aside world support resulting from the 9/11 attacks.

 

[Todd33]

This election is closer to the 1980 one than any others in recent times.

Twenty years later, the latest survey by the Los Angeles Times finds roughly 60% of Americans polled believe the country is on the wrong track. With troops bogged down in a Middle East conflict and most voters still feeling uneasy about the economy, this election year has a lot more in common with 1980 than 1984.

http://www.time.com/time/elect...0,18471,650116,00.html


So it comes down to the debates and whether Kerry comes off as presidential.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ncircle

one month later:
bookage!
Kerry is going to lose and i am going to be in nipple tugging elation watching the liberals squirm on Nov 2!

Big deal, Nixon won in a landslide for his second term and look how that turned out.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: ncircleone month later:
bookage!
Kerry is going to lose and i am going to be in nipple tugging elation watching the liberals squirm on Nov 2!

You choose to post this on the day that polls of individual states finally put Kerry in the lead? I agree with you that Bush will win. But it just seemed an odd day to say that.

zogby and rasmussen polls are suspect imo...

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ncircle
has all the hype.<BR>but when the the nation speaks in Nov.<BR>John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.<BR>and yes, you can book it.<BR><BR>polls schmolls.

Wow. Nice unsubstantiated post.

Nice sig. Do you stay positive by repeating reassuring mantras to yourself before you go to sleep at night? "I am not a loser. I am not a loser. Gay people will burn in hell. Gay people will burn in hell. George Bush will win the election. George Bush will win the election..."

Wake up. Use reason and you will see this is not Bush/Dukakis all over again and that the only thing you really support in this world is wishful thinking.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ncircle

one month later:
bookage!
Kerry is going to lose and i am going to be in nipple tugging elation watching the liberals squirm on Nov 2!

Big deal, Nixon won in a landslide for his second term and look how that turned out.

And McCain can't even get the nomination!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: ntdz
zogby and rasmussen polls are suspect imo...

Anyone can just throw out certain polls and come up with any data you want. That doesn't make your data any better. Polls should be taken with caution (see my posts in the 'Polls are stupid' thread). But there isn't any significant difference in the Zogby and Rasmussen polls from the other polls in most places. And when it comes to 1% lead here or there, the state is a tossup - either could win and any poll can be right or wrong.

That sight does list more polls. We can start at the top. Lets look at states with multiple recent polls (not 3 months old) that include those polls you dislike as well as others.
[*]Alabama. Rasmussen: B53, Capital Research B54.
[*]Arizona. Zogby: B49, Maxon-Dixon: B50.
[*]Arkansas. Zogby: B47, Survey USA B48.
[*]California. Rasmussen: B39, American Res. Group: B41.
[*]Colorado. Rasmussen: B46, Public Opinion Strat: B45.
[*]Florida: Rasmussen: B48, Zogby: B48, Survey USA: B51, Strategic Vision B46
[*]Iowa: Gallup: B48, Zogby: B47
[*]Maine: American Res Group: B44, Zogby B43.
[*]Michigan: Epic: B44, Zogby B46, Rasmussen B46.
[*]Minnesota: Zogby: B45, Strategic Vision: B45

I give up typing. In case after case the difference between the polls you dislike and others is usually 1% and sometimes 2%. I can't justify saying they are bad when they give basically the same result as other recent polls in state after state.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ncircle
has all the hype.<BR>but when the the nation speaks in Nov.<BR>John Kerry wont be the the man going to disneyland.<BR>and yes, you can book it.<BR><BR>polls schmolls.

Wow. Nice unsubstantiated post.

Nice sig. Do you stay positive by repeating reassuring mantras to yourself before you go to sleep at night? "I am not a loser. I am not a loser. Gay people will burn in hell. Gay people will burn in hell. George Bush will win the election. George Bush will win the election..."

Wake up. Use reason and you will see this is not Bush/Dukakis all over again and that the only thing you really support in this world is wishful thinking.

it is a "nice" sig actually.
has a bobby mcferrin quality about it dont you think ?
W is going to manslap Kerry on Nov 2!
I call it like i see it and i see Kerry as the also ran!

unsubstantiated? you bet your ass it is !



there are far more dedicated persons on this board that could lend credibility to a Bush victory claim...
so I'll defer to those better than I to do the work for me

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ncircle

there are far more dedicated persons on this board that could lend credibility to a Bush victory claim...
so I'll defer to those better than I to do the work for me

:laugh:

Okay, I'm waiting for the neocon cavalry to come to the rescue.

And it's not just that you're claiming a Bush win (hey, it looks like there's decent odds of that happening right now), it's that you're saying it with certainty AND that this is like Dukakis in '88.