This computer is driving me crazy!

PolymerTim

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OK, so I built this computer for my wife back when she was still just my girlfriend (about 5 years ago), so keep in mind that this thing is pretty old and was intended to be a very inexpensive and basic machine (she pretty much just types papers and surfs the net on it). When I built it, I got the chaepest parts that I thought I could trust, but back then parts weren't quite as cheap. I don't actually remember what mobo is in it, but I can check later if you guys think that will really help.

When the computer was first put together, it had trouble booting. It usually just beeped and showed nothing on the screen. After reseating everything amny times, it eventually started to boot. Often times, we had to restart it several times to get it to fully boot. After a couple of days it seemed to be working better (don't ask me how that happened). We replaced the mobo battery because the computer was having trouble keeping up with time. Then things were pretty good for a few years, for the most part.

Now, a few months ago it started having problems again in terms of booting up. I didn't mind just restarting until it could boot for a while, but lately it has become much more frequent. I typically have to restart the computer anywhere from 0 to 10 times before it boots. The funny thing is it only hangs during the boot process, usually between chacking the memory and loading drivers just before windows begins to load. Once windows starts to load, I've never had a problem.

So I'm thinking it can't be software because it can hang as early as before the RAM check. But what kind of hardware problem would never show up after windows is loaded? If you guys have any ideas let me know. If you think it'll help, I'll get you more system specs.
 

Muse

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What version of Windows? Have you ever reinstalled Windows on this machine? A 5 year old installation of Windows is apt to be pretty screwed up.
 

duragezic

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Yeah, doesn't sound like software. Maybe something is faulty (mobo, ram, cpu). But I have had similar symptoms. Try switching the ram into a different slot, make sure cpu is snug. And if you have a slot1>socket 370 card, I would make sure that is snug. Sometimes the weight of the HSF can make the connection a little loose... but I don't even know what cpu you got. Try things like that.
 

PolymerTim

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It is running Win98, but I don't think that would be the problem, since it usually never gets a chance to load. I'm actually surprised it has been stable for so long, but there isn't a lot of major program installing etc. I only even run defrag on it like once a year and it hardly needs that.

Just a little basic info that I do remember. It is running a AMD K6-2 450 chip with a fairly lightweight and quiet HSF since the thing really doesn't produce much heat at all. It's running on 256MB RAM, which is about the only thing I've upgraded over the years. It may be some weird combo like 64+64+128. I'm tempted to try it with just one RAM chip just to see what happens. I'm also a little afraid that if something is on the fritz, messing around with the hardware too much might make it just die, and if we don't know what caused it, we won't have gotten anywhere.

My best guess is that one of the main system components (psu, video, cpu, mobo, ram) is just failing, but I have no idea which one. We can't afford to replace a lot of parts right now, so I just wish there was some way to figure it out. The one thing that just baffles me is that once windows loads, it's always perfectly stable. These problems only happen during boot.
 

PolymerTim

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Last night I tried leaving it on and then this morning, I rebooted it. It didn't have any problem this time. I might try leaving it off for longer and longer periods of time to see if that has any effect. Would be interesting if it only had trouble booting from a cold boot (literally).
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: PolymerTim
Last night I tried leaving it on and then this morning, I rebooted it. It didn't have any problem this time. I might try leaving it off for longer and longer periods of time to see if that has any effect. Would be interesting if it only had trouble booting from a cold boot (literally).

How cold is it? I've heard that HDs don't necessarily function too well when they are too cold. Someone said you should let them run for 15 minutes before using them heavily and you are a lot less apt to have HD failure down the line.
 

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I've also seen a motherboard not want to boot up until it had warmed up. One of the soldered connections on the motherboard had developed a slight crack which when cold prevented it from starting. After it it had warmed up to the point where the crack expanded, the connection would be closed and it would boot all the way..
 

intelbugger

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We've had this trouble with a client's machine. Tried everything but couldn't solve.

Finally, took the board out of the cab, cleaned the cab, cleaned the board and put it back. Now, it is the fastest machine in the whole area.

Try that, if you can. Usually, it is some slight short or contact trouble or some metallic specks under the board.

Also make sure the board is well separated from the base, isolating it from metallic surfaces