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Chicken and egg?Well that’s a chicken and egg thing. When you have coastal liberals constantly looking down on the “fly over states”, with Democrat candidates dismissing then as “deplorables”, and also categorizing military service as “white welfare” for states that hold service in high regard, it is no surprise that they gravitated towards the pied piper candidate that promised to stigginit.
Trump has given up entirely on sounding good to ALL Americans. He barely cares about sounding good to his base, it's just that he does. It's You get a Hate! You get a Hate! You get a Hate! My Entire Base Gets a Hate!Aye, but like all contagions, it is a disease that can spread. All someone has to do is identify with Trump as a person, or with his policies that they like. Hell, some of it is spurred on by his lies where he tries to promise everyone everything. Remember, he is for universal healthcare. Until he isn't. Above all Trump wants to sound good. He wants to appeal to the masses. Anyways, once that identity takes hold it is human nature for the ego to demand sacrifices. Delusions form to defend the ID, and given the depravity of that identity, Trump's "mindshare" does far greater damage to the minds of Republicans than ever before.
Thus, the woman in the OP and thousands, millions(?), of others wantonly desire a foreign power, an enemy, to attack fellow Americans so long as it targets "others". Because Americans are "other" enough to warrant attack. Part of that is the state of our partisanship, cruel as it is towards one another. Made worse by the delusion of Trump.
It would be far easier if a Republican leader stepped forward to reclaim the party. Absent that they will be consumed. A sickness that is "Average American" enough to win Presidential elections. To threaten to do so again. It is our duty as their fellow Americans to stop them. If not through Congress this year, then the elections in 2020. We have to work hard to send the right signals. That we are firm, yet we keep an open hand. We must always invite our fallen Americans to rejoin us, to partake in sanity once more. They must first identify with us before they can break free and heal themselves.
It is our duty to stop them, and then to find a way to heal the nation.
Chicken and egg?
Newt Gingrich in the early 90s started training Republicans to call liberals traitors, treasonous, bizarre, etc., and the Republican party as a whole loves to say how "real Americans" are the ones who don't live on the "Left Coast" or East Coast.
Gingrich's memo title - Language: A key mechanism of CONTROL.
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/09/us/political-memo-for-gop-arsenal-133-words-to-fire.html
https://fair.org/home/language-a-key-mechanism-of-control/
https://users.wfu.edu/zulick/454/gopac.html
That's right, the Republican base has been trained to react to key conjuring phrases, so that they can be controlled.
Not to mention that Republicans from flyover country get the fuck out of flyover country and sit their asses on the East Coast as soon as they're elected to office, and then do nothing for their constituents, while making sure that they are constantly cutting taxes on the richest people in the solar system, who typically live on the coasts, aka not "real Americans".
And don't even start lying that libruuuuuls hate the troops. Blue states contribute just about half of the military, even though blue states are at best 19-24 out of 50 states at any given time. That old "libruuuuls hate the troops" bullshit is part of that fucking egg that Gingrich laid in the 90s, and that has warped (and broken) the minds of the Republican base.
Military service is big bad gub'mint providing f̶r̶e̶e̶ PAID training to anyone, typically poor people, and sure as shit not just poor white people. And if you put in enough time...a god damn pension. Not some shit-tier 401k.
A god damn pension.
And let's not forget the healthcare for the employee and family.
Calling the military a government-funded socialist program isn't the same as calling it bad. It's just that the Republican base has been trained to react to that word. So they can be controlled, just like Master Gingrich has trained them to be.
Chicken and egg, indeed. If we're lucky, those chickens will be coming home to roost very, very soon.
The thread of conversation was on the nominees, not the general election, not that Clinton winning the popular vote is relevant given our electoral system.There's only one most, dude.
There is no doubt that Gingrich was the start of when the GOP lost its way. He was and remains an unethical POS. I did always perceive him as a suitable complement to Clinton.Newt Gingrich in the early 90s started training Republicans to call liberals traitors, treasonous, bizarre, etc., and the Republican party as a whole loves to say how "real Americans" are the ones who don't live on the "Left Coast" or East Coast. Gingrich's memo title - Language: A key mechanism of CONTROL.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking the left does not, there is a reason the word “triggered” exists.That's right, the Republican base has been trained to react to key conjuring phrases, so that they can be controlled.
Well the capital building and their offices are on the east coast. One of the reasons Feinstein didn’t get an endorsement was for not spending enough time in CA.Not to mention that Republicans from flyover country get the fuck out of flyover country and sit their asses on the East Coast as soon as they're elected to office, and then do nothing for their constituents, while making sure that they are constantly cutting taxes on the richest people in the solar system, who typically live on the coasts, aka not "real Americans".
Never said they did, but liberals are the only people who’ve ever criticized my decision to serve, starting with one of my high school teachers who was a huge Clinton fangirl.And don't even start lying that libruuuuuls hate the troops.
Given their population densities, blue states do not contribute proportionally to our volunteer military.Blue states contribute just about half of the military, even though blue states are at best 19-24 out of 50 states at any given time.
The military remains the most diverse and progressive organization I’ve ever worked for, and I think one way to overcome the tribalism in America would be through mandated service.Military service is big bad gub'mint providing f̶r̶e̶e̶ PAID training to anyone, typically poor people, and sure as shit not just poor white people. And if you put in enough time...a god damn pension. Not some shit-tier 401k.
Most enlisted soldiers are below the poverty lineA god damn pension. And let's not forget the healthcare for the employee and family.
And why is it that Gingrich’s strategy resonated then and Trump’s strategy did so now? You need fertile ground to plant seeds.Chicken and egg, indeed. If we're lucky, those chickens will be coming home to roost very, very soon.
The military remains the most diverse and progressive organization I’ve ever worked for, and I think one way to overcome the tribalism in America would be through mandated service.
Most enlisted soldiers are below the poverty line
I am well aware of the batsh!t insanity of right wing talk radio, but having grown up in a blue state and seeing what happens on a lot of college campuses, for liberals it simply manifests in a different forumWhile there's certainly mutual antipathy I do not think it is symmetric. I mean if you think that name calling and such is the reason why members of one party dislike the other I'll see your 'deplorables' and raise you about 10,000 insane and vile things Republicans have said about liberals. I used to listen to right wing talk radio for about 5 hours a day when I worked at a defense contractor and that shit is bananas.
They supported Trump because he acknowledged and validated their frustration with the global world order that took away their jobs and sources of identity, but naive to actually believe he would be able to close Pandora’s Box.This also deprives conservatives of agency. They supported Trump because they wanted to support Trump, not because liberals were mean to them.
No, the Democrats simply draw their power from a less homogenous coalition, so a Trump that appeals to one faction might actually hurt their chances with another faction. While the GOP has become the party of angry white people, you cannot possibly claim that identity politics is not a defining feature of the left. If anything, the radicalized right formed largely in direct response to liberals making many things about identity.You don't see a Trump on the liberal side despite the decades of crazed insults the right has thrown at them because liberals don't respond to things in the same personalized, identity politics way that conservatives do. (identity politics certainly exists on the left, but it is the defining feature of politics on the right. policy is largely irrelevant to conservatives)
Sure there are some sh!tty people in the military, but when you deploy, race, gender and identity become secondary considerations.That's a load of BS. I've come across a lot of active duty, retired, and prior service folks who still double down on anything Trump does and dismiss election interference with inane arguments (e.g. we do it to other countries!). They're not better than people in other occupations.
Complete rubbish.
Sure there are some sh!tty people in the military, but when you deploy, race, gender and identity become secondary considerations.
Do tell. Please explain the batshit insanity of liberals on college campuses.I am well aware of the batsh!t insanity of right wing talk radio, but having grown up in a blue state and seeing what happens on a lot of college campuses, for liberals it simply manifests in a different forum.
You should be terrified that a communications professor called for “muscle” to remove a journalist from a newsworthy event.Do tell. Please explain the batshit insanity of liberals on college campuses.
None of that terrifies me as it is does not indicate a trend. You might need to re-calibrate your fear barometer.You should be terrified that a communications professor called for “muscle” to remove a journalist from a newsworthy event.
You should be terrified that a prominent Yale lecturer had to resign due to pressure over an email asking students to apply common sense to Halloween costumes.
The very term “Generation Snowflake” originated to describe the safe space group think nonsense that permeates many college campuses.
But you knew all of this already.
But right wing media makes it sound scary and dangerous.None of that terrifies me as it is does not indicate a trend. You might need to re-calibrate your fear barometer.
Also next time, add some links if you don't mind.
You should be terrified that a communications professor called for “muscle” to remove a journalist from a newsworthy event.
You should be terrified that a prominent Yale lecturer had to resign due to pressure over an email asking students to apply common sense to Halloween costumes.
The very term “Generation Snowflake” originated to describe the safe space group think nonsense that permeates many college campuses.
But you knew all of this already.
After 9/11, they took almost anyone, even criminals.Oh shit!! America is being destroyed by colleges! Look at all these examples! We have a real crisis on our hands folks!
The standards to get into the military must be way lower than I first thought if you made it in.
Aiding and abetting toxic thought -- that's what it is.The real problem isn't callers like her, it's the Republicans in Congress who'd listen and agree with her.
Of course it doesn’t terrify you because in your heart of hearts what you really want is authoritarianism that feeds into your confirmation biases.None of that terrifies me as it is does not indicate a trend. You might need to re-calibrate your fear barometer.
Also next time, add some links if you don't mind.
I'll join ya in the facepalm but while chucking at you for doing it.^ ignores real authoritarians to point out wanna be authoritarians. /facepalm
I'll join ya in the facepalm but while chucking at you for doing it.^ ignores real authoritarians to point out wanna be authoritarians. /facepalm
Wake the fuck up, Trumpsters. What Putin wants for us isn't good for us.
