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robcy

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I just bought a PNY 5600 Ultra for the wifes computer, and now I am totally pi$$ed. While its not my main gaming rig, it does see it fare share of gaming (esp. IL-2 online). I never expected this card to run HL-2 with all the bells and whistles, but at the very least to be playable at 1028x768. I knew I should of gone with the 9600PRO to replaced the modded 9500 (PRO) I burnt. I want some one to feel sorry for me :-(, and for that young punk that promised (sold me) that there was nothing comming out within a year that this card could not handle.

There is one thing I do not understand in this whole HL-2/ATI/Nvidia gun battle. I thought DX9 was a standard setting that established how the pixel shaders run or work. Why would a game based on the refrence API for DX9 need any optomizations to run on a certain card that is supposed to be DX9 compliant. Why should the developer of HL-2 have to create a special code for Nvidia or ATI, when ATI and Nvidia are supposed to comply with what MS calls for in DX9. I think its stupid for me to have to run my DX9 card at DX8.1 in a DX9 game so that it can be playable. Yes I preordered HL-2, and that is why I am upset. I am not a fanboy to any camp of GPU/CPU, but I am a consumer that feels letdown.

I had a GF2 SDR, and these is no DX7 game that it will not play at acceptable fps's. I have a GF3 TI200, and there is not a DX8 game that it will not play at acceptable fps's. These cards are not the cream of the crop in there respective DX category, and while none provide 300+ fps they do not stutter, or crash, or give me slide shows of the action. But now I have a FX5600Ultra that will not play the FIRSTS DX9 out to market, what do I look forward to when this game is modded, and made even more demanding, other than to a replacement.

Det 50.xx is supposed to fix these issues. How? The little respect I have left for Nvidia will be lost if I get square graphics like an atari 2600 (exagerating) in order to able to play DX9 games on my DX9 card.


Well I feel better now that I vented.
 

DaveSimmons

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nV will "fix" the problem by degrading image quality closer to DX8 levels, such as using 16-bit shaders instead of the 24-bit shaders that DX9 specifies. So you'll get "DX8.5" image quality on nV cards.

nV made a bad design choice to use 32-bit instead of 24-bit, since they were not able to make the 32-bit shaders run at the same speed. If they'd managed to get the speed up they'd have been able to offer better image quality than ATI.
 

JackNimble

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Dirext X is simply the API (Application Programming Interface) that sits between the software (in this case HL-2) and the hardware... However, Direct X itself has to go through whatever drivers a video card uses because these drivers have been developed to take the DirectX API calls and translate them into hardware specific commands. In this case, the drivers are the key because if they do not efficiently process/translate the DX API calls, then you see a performance hit. It may be that the hardware itself can do more, but it is not being utilized correctly due to bad drivers...

Or it could just be that the 5900 Ultra just really sucks and can't keep up even with the best drivers in the world...

However, I think that we should wait until the game is released and Nvidia has a chance to post new drivers for it before everyone starts getting upset...

JackNimble
 

Nebor

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DX8 is just three symbols to me. It means nothing. DX9 was just something I had to download because Microsoft told me to. Means nothin' to me.

That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: Nebor
DX8 is just three symbols to me. It means nothing. DX9 was just something I had to download because Microsoft told me to. Means nothin' to me.

That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.

Yes if it meant something to you then you would have an ATI card,DX9 looks much better but Nvidia has never been good at IQ so you'll never notice the difference.
 

Technonut

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That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.
I hope your "magic" does not turn out to be "smoke and mirrors". ;)
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: Technonut
That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.
I hope your "magic" does not turn out to be "smoke and mirrors". ;)
or no-fog and clipping planes ;)
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Budman
Originally posted by: Nebor
DX8 is just three symbols to me. It means nothing. DX9 was just something I had to download because Microsoft told me to. Means nothin' to me.

That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.

Yes if it meant something to you then you would have an ATI card,DX9 looks much better but Nvidia has never been good at IQ so you'll never notice the difference.

That's right, good ol' nvidia, always watching out for it's customers. We won't even notice a difference moving to HL2. That's what I love about nvidia, they're all about the customer... And it shows!
 

oldfart

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Budman
Originally posted by: Nebor
DX8 is just three symbols to me. It means nothing. DX9 was just something I had to download because Microsoft told me to. Means nothin' to me.

That said, I think that HL2 will probably be playable in DX9 mode w/ a 5600 Ultra... Especially after the magic of det 50.

Yes if it meant something to you then you would have an ATI card,DX9 looks much better but Nvidia has never been good at IQ so you'll never notice the difference.

That's right, good ol' nvidia, always watching out for it's customers. We won't even notice a difference moving to HL2. That's what I love about nvidia, they're all about the customer... And it shows!
As Nebor gulps down another giant swig of nVidia Kool-Aid! :p
 

Nebor

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Hey, I've gotten numerous emails from Nvidia, and been told on the phone, that I am indeed a "valued customer" and "very special to our company."

Has ATI ever told you that? huh?!
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Hey, I've gotten numerous emails from Nvidia, and been told on the phone, that I am indeed a "valued customer" and "very special to our company."

Has ATI ever told you that? huh?!

Are you for real?

How can you be that dense?

I always tought the insult Nvidot was a bit harsh but for some reason it seems to fit you like a glove.:disgust:
 

oldfart

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Hey, I've gotten numerous emails from Nvidia, and been told on the phone, that I am indeed a "valued customer" and "very special to our company."

Has ATI ever told you that? huh?!

LOL! :p I have to admit, I've never got a call from ATi! You are indeed very special to nVidia! They need more people who are blindly loyal to them no matter what kind of carp they are selling!! :p ;)

I have to admit, you have good sence of humor about this whole thing!
 

magomago

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Try to pawn off the 5600 Ultra if you can and pick up a 9600pro so atlesat it isn't a total waste and that 9600pro will pick up a pretty good framreate at 1024*768 with full details turned on :)

And to Nebor: its amazing what you are saying. I've never seen someone rationalize SOOO much in my life :) Dump your 5900 and pick up a 9800NP and you will be happy once more.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I'm begining to think that Nebor is really a fanATIc just poking fun! :D

Well... FanATIc sure as hell sounds a lot better then Nvidiot :p

Just imagine a person saying "I'm a fanATIc!!! Yeah!!!" compared with "I'm a Nvidiot!!! Yeah!!!"
 

bjc112

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and for that young punk that promised (sold me) that there was nothing comming out within a year that this card could not handle.

Bastards.... Do your research next time...

You could try and sell that off on the FS/FT forum or Ebay...
 

ucdbiendog

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Originally posted by: robcy
and for that young punk that promised (sold me) that there was nothing comming out within a year that this card could not handle.

where did you buy it? that is why i hate shopping at stores like bestbuy... they have good deals, but their sales people are just high-schoolers they pick up off the street who know how to sell stuff by BSing the customer. Was there one time and saw some lady with her kid buying a small (~20") tv and a DVD player. then the guy started pushin on her to get monster cables and a 60 dollar power strip. anyone with any knowledge of the subject knows she would have no need for these overpriced cables. i felt like smackin the guy for takin advantage of a knowledgless lady. /end rant