Third wrong-sided brain surgery at R.I. hospital

hdeck

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i saw this on the news the other day. apparently they have messed up 3 brain surgeries at that hospital.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

or force all the surgeons to get right and left tattooed on their hands, and pray the tattoo artist knows left from right. actually, nevermind, hands are covered in surgery.
instead... make all gloves have the words left and right written on them. have them that they are not on right unless the words are on the wrist facing out, so that they can't put the gloves on the wrong hands. :D
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

This is true. I worked with doctors at a job who told me to get something like a Sharpie and label your knee, elbow, etc before surgery. On both sides. They suggest something along the lines of "Operate on this side and I will sue you" and "This is the side that needs the surgery"

 

maxster

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If you're going the Sharpey route, make sure that it's your surgeon that does the labelling. And do not put an X.
 

5to1baby1in5

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

This is true. I worked with doctors at a job who told me to get something like a Sharpie and label your knee, elbow, etc before surgery. On both sides. They suggest something along the lines of "Operate on this side and I will sue you" and "This is the side that needs the surgery"

The staff made my wife actually initial the knee to be operated on when she went in. The other knee had a big "NO" on it.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

This is true. I worked with doctors at a job who told me to get something like a Sharpie and label your knee, elbow, etc before surgery. On both sides. They suggest something along the lines of "Operate on this side and I will sue you" and "This is the side that needs the surgery"

The staff made my wife actually initial the knee to be operated on when she went in. The other knee had a big "NO" on it.

When I tell people about marking the areas before an operation they laugh at me. Yet, yours and other peoples experiences show you really should mark the areas.

 

interchange

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Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5

The staff made my wife actually initial the knee to be operated on when she went in. The other knee had a big "NO" on it.

What happens when a patient's initials are NO?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

This is true. I worked with doctors at a job who told me to get something like a Sharpie and label your knee, elbow, etc before surgery. On both sides. They suggest something along the lines of "Operate on this side and I will sue you" and "This is the side that needs the surgery"

The staff made my wife actually initial the knee to be operated on when she went in. The other knee had a big "NO" on it.

when i had surgery on my shoulder he marked all over the one that neededteh surgery. on the other shoulder he put NTO (not this one).
 

txrandom

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I'm getting hernia surgery in a few weeks. Should I leave them a message before going under?
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: txrandom
I'm getting hernia surgery in a few weeks. Should I leave them a message before going under?

Yes write across your forehead "Not around this head idiot the other one"
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Engraver
Have one of the nurses label each side of the head with a different colored marker.

This is true. I worked with doctors at a job who told me to get something like a Sharpie and label your knee, elbow, etc before surgery. On both sides. They suggest something along the lines of "Operate on this side and I will sue you" and "This is the side that needs the surgery"

The staff made my wife actually initial the knee to be operated on when she went in. The other knee had a big "NO" on it.

What if her name was Nancy Orleans?
:confused:
 

Paddington

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I'm a 4th year medical student. I've had the misfortune of doing 3 month long rotations in surgery.

There's a procedure in place called the "Timeout", which is supposed to prevent wrong side operations from happening. The entire surgery team is supposed to pause for a minute before the operation begins, and agree upon the name of the patient and what the procedure is that is being done. In reality though, what happens is that people stumble in and out of the OR while the patient is already knocked out and naked on the table, everyone's doing something (resident putting the Foley in, medical student being scutted out, nurses readying the equipment, attending cleaning his Loupes, anesthesiologist goofing around with his Blackberry, etc.), while one nurse says "can I have your attention: this is X, getting an operation on his right Y", and everyone just says "Yeah, sure" without even making eye contact or stopping what they are doing. As I said before, I've had the misfortune of standing and retracting for 100+ operations, and nobody really seems to pay much attention during this "Timeout". Of course, the attending is also supposed to meet with the patient before hand and make sure that it's agreed upon what's going to be operated on before the patient gets drugged, but I guess things go wrong there as well.

I could tell you all kinds of stories about surgery, but recalling them just brings back too many painful memories. Suffice it to say, the surgery environment is a dysfunctional one, and based on my - far too numerous - 80+ hour weeks working there, I'm surprised they don't to more wrong site procedures. Oh yeah, and I'd rather be dead than ever have to set foot in an OR again, either as a patient or as a doctor. :D