Thinking of trading in my iPAQ, anyone using an HP Jornada 567/568?
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What Ipaq do you have? I have the 3835, it's really an improvement, the dust problem is fixed, so is the multiple button problem (pressing 2 buttons at once...good for games). The 3835 also has a SD/MMC slot built on
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<< What Ipaq do you have? I have the 3835, it's really an improvement, the dust problem is fixed, so is the multiple button problem (pressing 2 buttons at once...good for games). The 3835 also has a SD/MMC slot built on >>
1) I have an iPAQ 3700 series, PocketPC 2002 (I sent my iPAQ in for repair, and they sent me back this one)
2) SD/MMC is crap
It's slower reading/writing than CF, and memory card sizes are low and prices are high. Also, there are TONS of peripherals for CF.3) I can get an HP 567 for $490 shipped from Dell
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<< I thought you were getting (or considering) a Toshiba PDA? >>
It has the WORST battery life EVER. Otherwise, it would be PERFECT. >>
I thought that the battery life problems were for the Japanese units (Genio), all the PPC sites that had reviews of the Toshiba e570 didnt have the actual US production model, they only had the 32 meg Genio unit that is sold in Asia. From what I have read from people that actually own the e570, the battery life is comparable to other PPCs, not stellar, but not horrible either.
--Ben
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<< I thought you were getting (or considering) a Toshiba PDA? >>
It has the WORST battery life EVER. Otherwise, it would be PERFECT. >>
I thought that the battery life problems were for the Japanese units (Genio), all the PPC sites that had reviews of the Toshiba e570 didnt have the actual US production model, they only had the 32 meg Genio unit that is sold in Asia. From what I have read from people that actually own the e570, the battery life is comparable to other PPCs, not stellar, but not horrible either.
--Ben >>
It's horrible, even for the 64MB e570's. Check out Brighthands Toshiba forum. Two seperate reviews confirm the deadly battery. The problem is that it's main advantage (size) is what kills it. With it being so small, there is no room for a large battery:
http://www.brighthand.com/biz/solutions/pocketpc/review/device/toshibae550_page1.html
<< However, one area of concern is the Genio's battery. It's not user-replaceable and is smaller than the Jornada's. In an informal test of the Toshiba Genio e550 and the HP Jornada 568 batteries I ran a WMA audio file in a loop from a CompactFlash card until the units shut off (also, the displays were shut off throughout the test). The Jornada 568 ran for 11 hours while the Genio ran for only 4 hours before it could not power the CompactFlash card. >>
http://www.pocketnow.com/reviews/toshibae570/toshibae570b.htm
<< Ask someone at CompUSA or Best Buy as to why he is perusing the Pocket PC or Palm (gasp!) section rather than the laptop area, and he'll give you a few answers. Size always tops the list. They want something that doesn't require an extra piece of luggage, yet still does most of the things that a laptop can do. Next, they'll mention price, though this is becoming less of an issue with sub-$1000 notebooks hitting the market in greater numbers. Though the list goes on, somewhere at the top is battery life. While laptops can give you around three hours of use without charging, the average Pocket PC promises about eight hours (and usually delivers it), and Palms last weeks off of a single charge. Toshiba claims that their e570 lasts for about eight hours without needing a visit to the cradle. Ladies and gentlemen, I have bad news, and for many of you, the review might conclude right in this section.
My "real world" battery life test is simple: I leave the backlight on the lowest setting (dim, but still enabled), prevent the device from ever shutting off, and I hit a few keys once every hours. I let the device idle until I can no longer turn it on. Hopefully at this point the only battery power that remains is a "backup store" that will allow you to be away from the charger for about another day without losing the contents of RAM (it is at this point that the RAM refreshes). I performed my real world test on the e570 about five times; each time it only lasted for four hours and forty-five minutes, quite short of the eight hours promised. To date, this is the weakest-powered Pocket PC I have tested. We're almost talking about laptop battery life, here, and that's pretty bad!
To further aggravate things, I decided to spend some time working on e-mail for several hours, so I popped in a MicroDrive loaded with lots of techno tracks. For three separate sittings, the device could not turn off after only two hours of use, and this was only with the MicroDrive spinning and the MP3's decoding (frontlight was off). The worst news I have to deliver is that after I can't turn the device on; the only way to turn it back on, in fact, is to recharge it, and perform a hard reset, fully deleting the contents of RAM. Hence, there is no backup time, so once you run your batteries down, your data is cooked! I'm not very happy with this situation, and I hope Toshiba quickly resolves it. Perhaps I received a defective unit, but I highly doubt it since Steve Bush of Brighthand.com reported similar findings in another test unit. Just imagine watching video off of a MicroDrive. You might get halfway through a movie before having to charge. And if you want just a moment too long, you'll be rebuilding all of the software on your machine. Needless to say, beware! Perhaps Toshiba is just setting the stage for an extended life add-on battery? No such luck: you're stuck with what you get in the e570 since it's non-removable. >>
NFS4,
Those two reviews are not of the e570, they are both of the Genio e550, in reading through the Brighthand forums I came across this post.
<< Tests performed on Toshiba E570
Loop test playing a list of 20 music titles and 3 video clips.
The screen was switched off throughout this test except for when checking the battery status.
Uptime application used to record battery run time figures.
A twinmos (cheap OEM) 128mb CF card was used in all tests.
All the tests included most playing coming through the onboard speaker and some headphone usage.
The percentages where not recorded at the exact time they changed so these can not be taken as being very accurate.
This is because uptime does not provide graphing capability and were only spotted when I turned on the screen.
If graphing was available I could provide more accurate percentage change time figures.
There is supposed to be an application that does this (seen posted on an IPaq forum and on Dale Coffings site).?? Anyone know where I can find this, I can then post graphs showing the battery profile.
Anyway, onto the test results....
Test 1 - Basic test
To emulating what would be considered normal media playing behaviour I played the media for periods of time and then stopped for severals minutes and hours at a time.
The battery at this stage had only recieved 2nd full charges since it's initial purchase
3hrs 8 mins at 40% (warning)
4hrs 2 mins at 30%
4hrs 41mins No power to CF warning
At this stage I can still play music direct from the PDA, and copy files from the CF card
The unit has set it's back light to power save and can not be set higher.
I can play several screens of the Cubicle Chaos game (found on the MS CE Download website)
The games lasts for a further 4 minutes
Test 2 - Constant
A constant loop playing the same media list (20 music, 3 video)
To emulating what would be considered normal media playing behaviour I played the media for periods of time and then stopped for severals minutes and hours at a time.
The battery at this stage had recieved it's 3rd full charges since it's initial purchase
1hr 17mins at 90%
1hr 42mins at 80%
2hrs 04mins at 70%
2hrs 44mins at 60%
3hrs 21mins at 50%
3hrs 45mins at 40% (warning)
4hrs 17mins at 30%
4hrs 51mins at 20%
5hrs 19mins at 0%
Even thoough the power shows 0% and there is insufficient power to play music from the CF card I can still play music direct from the PDA, and copy files from the CF card.
The unit has set it's back light to power save and can not be set higher.
I can play several screens of the Cubicle Chaos game (found on the MS CE Download website)
The games lasts for a further 5.5 minutes.
Additional Notes:
I did not notice the volume drop when the power dropped at all (as posted by someone else on BHand).
I suspect that the recharging of the battery was the main reason for the increase in time on test 2. I started a repeat of test 2 and monitored the battery percentages and these seemed to be higher again (ie. it took nearly 4 hours before the battery warning at 40% started.
Conclusion
I am generally very happy with the battery performance of the PDA and will re-run these tests next weekend (whilst eating my Christmas cake ) to see if the additional recharge cycles have improved the performance any further. I will post results here when I complete them.
If you have any questions please let me know.
Hope the above is of some use.
>>
While the battery life is not stellar, that post is from someone who actually has a US production unit, the e570, and the battery life based on his tests are adequate at the minimum, IMO.
--Ben
Those two reviews are not of the e570, they are both of the Genio e550, in reading through the Brighthand forums I came across this post.
<< Tests performed on Toshiba E570
Loop test playing a list of 20 music titles and 3 video clips.
The screen was switched off throughout this test except for when checking the battery status.
Uptime application used to record battery run time figures.
A twinmos (cheap OEM) 128mb CF card was used in all tests.
All the tests included most playing coming through the onboard speaker and some headphone usage.
The percentages where not recorded at the exact time they changed so these can not be taken as being very accurate.
This is because uptime does not provide graphing capability and were only spotted when I turned on the screen.
If graphing was available I could provide more accurate percentage change time figures.
There is supposed to be an application that does this (seen posted on an IPaq forum and on Dale Coffings site).?? Anyone know where I can find this, I can then post graphs showing the battery profile.
Anyway, onto the test results....
Test 1 - Basic test
To emulating what would be considered normal media playing behaviour I played the media for periods of time and then stopped for severals minutes and hours at a time.
The battery at this stage had only recieved 2nd full charges since it's initial purchase
3hrs 8 mins at 40% (warning)
4hrs 2 mins at 30%
4hrs 41mins No power to CF warning
At this stage I can still play music direct from the PDA, and copy files from the CF card
The unit has set it's back light to power save and can not be set higher.
I can play several screens of the Cubicle Chaos game (found on the MS CE Download website)
The games lasts for a further 4 minutes
Test 2 - Constant
A constant loop playing the same media list (20 music, 3 video)
To emulating what would be considered normal media playing behaviour I played the media for periods of time and then stopped for severals minutes and hours at a time.
The battery at this stage had recieved it's 3rd full charges since it's initial purchase
1hr 17mins at 90%
1hr 42mins at 80%
2hrs 04mins at 70%
2hrs 44mins at 60%
3hrs 21mins at 50%
3hrs 45mins at 40% (warning)
4hrs 17mins at 30%
4hrs 51mins at 20%
5hrs 19mins at 0%
Even thoough the power shows 0% and there is insufficient power to play music from the CF card I can still play music direct from the PDA, and copy files from the CF card.
The unit has set it's back light to power save and can not be set higher.
I can play several screens of the Cubicle Chaos game (found on the MS CE Download website)
The games lasts for a further 5.5 minutes.
Additional Notes:
I did not notice the volume drop when the power dropped at all (as posted by someone else on BHand).
I suspect that the recharging of the battery was the main reason for the increase in time on test 2. I started a repeat of test 2 and monitored the battery percentages and these seemed to be higher again (ie. it took nearly 4 hours before the battery warning at 40% started.
Conclusion
I am generally very happy with the battery performance of the PDA and will re-run these tests next weekend (whilst eating my Christmas cake ) to see if the additional recharge cycles have improved the performance any further. I will post results here when I complete them.
If you have any questions please let me know.
Hope the above is of some use.
>>
While the battery life is not stellar, that post is from someone who actually has a US production unit, the e570, and the battery life based on his tests are adequate at the minimum, IMO.
--Ben
I disagree. I have the Jornada 567 and I love it. Previously I had a mono IPAQ and hated how much bigger it got with the CF sleeve (the PC card sleeve is even worse). The Jornada is sleek, small, and lightweight. I don't know why some people think it's too lightweight. It certainly doesn't feel cheap to me. I think it is just the right weight. I like to keep mine in my cargo pants pocket and I don't want some lead weight in there.
The only downsides (besides the dust) is the slightly smaller, less bright screen and the stylus (although it's a million times better than the popsicle stick they shipped with the 548. You can buy a really nice chrome or black replacement stylus from pdapanache.com. I picked up a couple of them and they're much nicer.
As for dust... yes it's a known issue. I have a week 44 unit (one of the later ones) and it still has a little dust. Not enough to be really annoying. Some people are going through the hassle of exchanging, but are getting units that still pick up dust. I'm just going to wait until HP finally fixes the probem (it will happen eventually) and then exchange mine.
The 64MB Flash memory is huge and I've got a couple of 256MB Flash cards that I use for mp3s. I'm trying to surrender my life to it in every way possible so as to better organize myself. So far it's working really well. I had a Palm V a couple of years ago that I used to think was really powerful. What a joke! Sadly, Palm hasn't advanced much from the OS on my Palm V. Yet another area MS will dominate.
NFS4 I would say go for it. Being a longtime iPAQ owner, you probably had dust problems with it... it's a minor annoyance, and it will be fixed. The Jornada is a great little PDA. Another good thing is that it's compatible with all the 540 series accessories. So I had a 548 cradle and PS laying around so I use those at work. I also have the foldout keyboard, which is pretty nice. Not to mention that HP is coming out with some nifty new 560-series accessories (hi-cap battery, small keyboard, etc.
l2c
The only downsides (besides the dust) is the slightly smaller, less bright screen and the stylus (although it's a million times better than the popsicle stick they shipped with the 548. You can buy a really nice chrome or black replacement stylus from pdapanache.com. I picked up a couple of them and they're much nicer.
As for dust... yes it's a known issue. I have a week 44 unit (one of the later ones) and it still has a little dust. Not enough to be really annoying. Some people are going through the hassle of exchanging, but are getting units that still pick up dust. I'm just going to wait until HP finally fixes the probem (it will happen eventually) and then exchange mine.
The 64MB Flash memory is huge and I've got a couple of 256MB Flash cards that I use for mp3s. I'm trying to surrender my life to it in every way possible so as to better organize myself. So far it's working really well. I had a Palm V a couple of years ago that I used to think was really powerful. What a joke! Sadly, Palm hasn't advanced much from the OS on my Palm V. Yet another area MS will dominate.
NFS4 I would say go for it. Being a longtime iPAQ owner, you probably had dust problems with it... it's a minor annoyance, and it will be fixed. The Jornada is a great little PDA. Another good thing is that it's compatible with all the 540 series accessories. So I had a 548 cradle and PS laying around so I use those at work. I also have the foldout keyboard, which is pretty nice. Not to mention that HP is coming out with some nifty new 560-series accessories (hi-cap battery, small keyboard, etc.
l2c
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<< Keep the ipaq. It definatly sounds like you've got the "need a new toy" bug
>>It's not a "new toy" bug. Using a Sleeve adds MORE weight to my iPAQ and loads down my pants pocket. Also, the sleeves can scratch the front of my iPAQ which I HATE, b/c it leaves long scratches. And the HP is lighter than the iPAQ and it has an integrated CF slot. That is a big plus for me. The integrated flip cover negates the need for a case as well.
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Well, just got back from CompUSA. I looked at the Jornada 568 and the Audiovox Maestro.
The Maestro was SWEET!! Very small and light, but only 32MB. BLEH!!!
The Jornada was equally light and just a tad larger than the Maestro. The only problem is that the paint along the sides looks VERY cheap and it wears off VERY easily as the the display model was scratched up ALL OVER. The other PDA's had no sratches or scuffs to speak of. But I really liked the Jornada and I think that I will order one anyway. The replaceable battery, flip cover, and CF slot have sold me
The Maestro was SWEET!! Very small and light, but only 32MB. BLEH!!!
The Jornada was equally light and just a tad larger than the Maestro. The only problem is that the paint along the sides looks VERY cheap and it wears off VERY easily as the the display model was scratched up ALL OVER. The other PDA's had no sratches or scuffs to speak of. But I really liked the Jornada and I think that I will order one anyway. The replaceable battery, flip cover, and CF slot have sold me
Damn you NFS4 - I got the 'buy something' bug and have spent the last hour or so surfing reviews of the new Jornada. Having almost talked myself out of it (a co-worker has an IPAQ on order so I figure I'll wait until he gets it and play a little), I come in here and read this mess. Now I gotta buy one also.
I have an m505 I got about 7 months ago and while I like it, it no way compares to the new pocketpc devices.
I have an m505 I got about 7 months ago and while I like it, it no way compares to the new pocketpc devices.
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<< Damn you NFS4 - I got the 'buy something' bug and have spent the last hour or so surfing reviews of the new Jornada. Having almost talked myself out of it (a co-worker has an IPAQ on order so I figure I'll wait until he gets it and play a little), I come in here and read this mess. Now I gotta buy one also.
I have an m505 I got about 7 months ago and while I like it, it no way compares to the new pocketpc devices. >>
I'm trying to figure out how much I can get off my iPAQ before I get the Jornada. I have:
iPAQ 3700 series w/PocketPC 2002 (cradle, AC adapter, CD's, etc.)
Silver Slider II CompactFlash sleeve
USB Sync charger/sync cradle
Compaq iPAQ Sport Case
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