Thinking in pictures and translating behaviour and languages...

Gannon

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I've been thinking lately about things, things just seem to be popping out of my head non stop.

But when I'm walking around sometimes my mind will project project wireframes of points and geometric lines around a persons mind like a circuit as well, when someone is annoyed I'm thinking the shape or frequency of the pattern of light that is sitting in their visual memory is sitting up against an "attractor" field inside their head that registers area and personal space within a certain field distance, and I'm seeing a line and then shape expanding inside thier mind against circuit field domain that controls that part of the minds circuit flows of energy (i.e. switching/on/off). I see these as set bubble expansions nad contractions (like a set union) when one bubble is being squeezed into a line and going inside a persons eye and the other bubble is expanding inside their head (like an infinity sign being squeezed from one end, flattening out, and then expanding into a simple circle inside a persons mind and toggling back and forth between creating a new bubble and remaining unitary (single).

It seems to me there is some kind of relationship between what my mind is foisting on me visually and understanding the behaviour of other people but I can't express it in any other form then moving series of pictues, lines, points, geometry and metaphors of energy, visual representations of 3D spherical/cylindrical "magnetic fields", energy flow and something similar to electronic circuitry schematic diagrams.

This has lead me to start thinking about what the most basic elements of what distinguishes something from something else in the universe that is full of energy and the only conclusion I could come up with was fields and boundaries, a field would be an area and a boundary would be something that surrounds an area or distinguishes one area from another, kind of like a gridline (boundary) and an area (pixel space) of pixels on a screen.

So if thats the case then, it would make sense to me that in the most basic form concepts or thoughts have some kind of geometric shape which can also be expressed mathematically (although I can't do the symbolism conversion, I just see it in my head). My axis converting one form of signal to another is Visual --> words or word metaphors.

And this got me thinking about languages, and how its not the sequence of letters or alphabet that matters, its the most basic "atomistic " shape of the concepts themselves as a signal / expression / shape.

And I was thinking if you could say, have an object like say "car" in one language and the word 'car" and it's alphabet string sequence in another

You could simply do the translation for words by assigning shape to the most basic core concepts, because its not the symbls used for or or sequence of letters that matters, it's the accuracy and arrangement of concepts.

Now I use objects because they would probably have exact shapes (easy to translate) more complex concepts most likely have more difficult shapes to figure out (to break apart into their basic components, like you would say factoring a number).

Does this sound like it makes good sense to you guys??
 

BrownTown

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Drugs are bad...

But seriously, thats pretty far out there. I know there are some disorders/drugs that can casue the different senses to influence each other like cross-talk in electrical wires. For example someone using LSD might see a pattern of colors, or shapes associated with a particualr smell or taste. I'm not saying that there is something wrong with you, but seeing stuff that isn't there is not exactly something that is very common. However, the associations between what you see and what you are thinking are likely casued by your brain attempting to put form to abstract ideas.
 

bobsmith1492

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Actually no, that doesn't really make sense...

On the other hand I know some people "see" numbers as colors or pictures; that is the case for that one guy who could recite pi out to millions of digits - he saw it all as a picture. It's much easier to remember pictures, hence the ease at remembering numbers for him.
 

Tarzanman

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Originally posted by: Gannon

So if thats the case then, it would make sense to me that in the most basic form concepts or thoughts have some kind of geometric shape which can also be expressed mathematically (although I can't do the symbolism conversion, I just see it in my head). My axis converting one form of signal to another is Visual --> words or word metaphors.

And this got me thinking about languages, and how its not the sequence of letters or alphabet that matters, its the most basic "atomistic " shape of the concepts themselves as a signal / expression / shape.

And I was thinking if you could say, have an object like say "car" in one language and the word 'car" and it's alphabet string sequence in another

You could simply do the translation for words by assigning shape to the most basic core concepts, because its not the symbls used for or or sequence of letters that matters, it's the accuracy and arrangement of concepts.

Now I use objects because they would probably have exact shapes (easy to translate) more complex concepts most likely have more difficult shapes to figure out (to break apart into their basic components, like you would say factoring a number).

Does this sound like it makes good sense to you guys??

Yeah, but someone already did this. The Chinese and their crazy 'alphabet'. The characters they use to write are called 'hanzi' (hahn-tsoo) and they pretty much work in the way you described. There are assorted different basic shapes, characters, and patterns called 'radicals' that can be used by themselves, or combined/repeated/drawn together to form new characters. The problem with this (as the chinese realized) is that you eventually end up with thousands (like hundreds of thousands) of characters, even though only 20,000-30,000 see everyday use. Also, the characters get very complicated. The chinese measure their characters by the number of strokes needed to draw them...this presents problems because some characters get 'simplified' to be written with less strokes and don't necessarily resemble their original graphical etymology.

Another issue this presents is for printing/data entry. Ever tried to type on a chinese keyboard? :)


There are advantages that a symbolic/pictoral writing system like the chinese use. People who speak different dialects but use the same alphabet (like mandarin, cantonese, hokkien, japanese) can still communicate somewhat by writing.