Think immigration is only a "conservative issue".

[imported_Shivetya]

"We're not some right-wing Nazi community," Gordon said. "Everybody is a liberal Democrat. In my community, without a doubt, people will not vote for her unless this problem is solved soon."

Apparently these little elists, self described liberals, are not so liberal when its in their OWN backyard, or neigborhood. The dirty and downtrodden WORKING poor have the audacity to buy homes in their neighborhood and then house all their family and friends.

Oh, how is one ever going to have tea and crumpets outside with ilk like this next door? Don't they know they are only allowed in the neigborhood during daylight hours, and then only to dust, clean, and mow the lawns?


Think immigration is only a "conservative issue". No, its pissing off a lot of Americans on both sides and the one thing remains clear, the politicians are more concerned what these minority groups think, whether its wrong or not, than what the law abiding citizens think.

Welcome to politics gone politically correct, where breaking the law is okay if clamping down would otherwise mean getting voted out.


The thread title is way to antagonistic so I edited it to something a little more on topic.

 

[Genx87]

Gee hyprocites come in all shapes and sizes. Reminds me of Teddy Kennedy. Thinks alternative energy sources are great, provided they dont hurt his wonderful view.

 

[Sinsear]

It would piss me off to no end if there was a boarding house like the ones in the article next door to me.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
It would piss me off to no end if there was a boarding house like the ones in the article next door to me.

and yet do you believe your local politicians would risk the wrath of the PC police to act on it?

 

[sumguy1]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
It would piss me off to no end if there was a boarding house like the ones in the article next door to me.

Burn it down. Problem solved.

 

[child of wonder]

How is this a political issue? Any one of us would be upset if 40 Mexicans moved into a house next door to ours.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: sumguy1

Originally posted by: Sinsear
It would piss me off to no end if there was a boarding house like the ones in the article next door to me.

Burn it down. Problem solved.

You had probably intended to appear tough or maybe even cute rather than as the dangerous psychopath, like you actually did.

 

[Slick5150]

And how is this even an issue? I would imagine that anybody, regardless of political party, would be upset about this situation, and I'm not sure how my liberal views would make me think otherwise?

 

[techs]

I blame Bush.

 

[d3n]

This is the crux of the whole immigration issue. It needs to be lawful and regulated. The mere fact that immigration is not being regulated properly and the perception that these people are undeserving or sidestepped the system tax payers are paying into makes for a lot of friction and social strife. Take a look at the tension in France.


Somehow our politicians seem to putting this notion that is our highest obligation to make sure these people are accommodated come hell or high water. They've forgotten that they are supposed to represent citizens and that immigration into this country has always been controlled and regulated. The resentment and social conflict is just beginning.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
How is this a political issue? Any one of us would be upset if 40 Mexicans moved into a house next door to ours.

I'd be pissed if 40 of Anyone moved in next door. That means they cannot afford to manage the property and tends to get run-down. So much for your time and money investment into your own property because the 3 room apartment building is now a slum.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The Topic and summary screams "I'm a Troll!" :thumbsdown:

You just realized that?

Shivetya claims to hate Dems and Republicans, but you don't hear him cry about the latter too often...

I've noticed that too.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
How is this a political issue? Any one of us would be upset if 40 Mexicans moved into a house next door to ours.

because of the reaction of the politicians involved


but I am not worried about those who called a troll, I look at the list of them and realize from their post history their opinions are like dog poo

 

[flavio]

What's an "elists"?

Is it some celebrity ranking? I've heard of A-list and B-list but I'm not sure if it goes down to E.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The Topic and summary screams "I'm a Troll!" :thumbsdown:

Seriously.

And how is this even an issue? I would imagine that anybody, regardless of political party, would be upset about this situation, and I'm not sure how my liberal views would make me think otherwise?

:thumbsdown: For obviously troll thread.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Sinsear
It would piss me off to no end if there was a boarding house like the ones in the article next door to me.

and yet do you believe your local politicians would risk the wrath of the PC police to act on it?

Not my senators thats for sure. Unfortunately I'm stuck with Hillary and Co.

However my House Rep. Peter King is not the type to go along and put up with this typw of sh!t.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And how is this even an issue? I would imagine that anybody, regardless of political party, would be upset about this situation, and I'm not sure how my liberal views would make me think otherwise?

It becomes a political issue because Democrats typically support the working poor and the rights of immigrants. It also exposes the sometimes hypocritical nature of Democrats in that they are all for social reform and change, so long as it is not in their respective backyards.

Perfect example. I grew up in NY...the city is fairly liberal, but the suburbs at the time were a mix of wealthy liberal areas and more conservative middle class neighborhoods.

Mario Cuomo's son at the time was a champion of various social land development programs...translation...welfare homes. The Democrat communities at the time were strongly in favor of establishing welfare homes for single mothers in Westchester County, but then came out strongly against establishing said welfare homes in their neighborhoods.

Where did the state end up building a welfare home...in my neighborhood, because the largely conservative middle class living their had neither the political influence or resources to fight it...of course with these welfare homes came a reduction in property value, a brief spike in crime, and the introduction of a certain element into the local public schools...granted, I am opposed to the sheltered and segregated worlds of suburbia, but I also think that every community should share the burden of helping the less fortunate...as opposed to the wealthy elite who support such programs, but then throw the burden on the middle class.

George Carlin does a really poignant bit on this dynamic...NOT IN MY BACK YARD!!!

 

[Theb]

There was one of those houses near my parents house when I was a teenager. It was pretty bad. They would come home to find kids from that house in their house. Two different times people leaving that house drunk crashed into neighboring houses. There were lots of other little problems. The city wasn't able to do anything until the city discovered how they were dealing with their waste (one bathroom was never going to accommodate the number of people living in that house).

<- - - requisite troll response here - - ->

 

[theeedude]

There goes the neighborhood.

 

[db]

The immigration issue has been politicized to the point where most people just react rather than thinking it through.
It's an issue that affects all of us regardless of political affiliation.

One absent voice: business. Why do we not hear from the business community? The reality is, employers like cheap labor, and that includes all of us who employ illegals to cut our lawns, Democrats and Republicans alike.

It's essentially impossible to "round them all up and deport them". It won't work, but will increase funding for the DHS and police (and possibly military).

As someone who does not like Bush, I think he basically has a good realistic working solution for dealing with the problem; I just wish that in his proposal the illegals would go to the end of the line behind those who have followed legal procedures for immigration and who often have to wait up to 10 years.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: db
The immigration issue has been politicized to the point where most people just react rather than thinking it through.
It's an issue that affects all of us regardless of political affiliation.

One absent voice: business. Why do we not hear from the business community? The reality is, employers like cheap labor, and that includes all of us who employ illegals to cut our lawns, Democrats and Republicans alike.

It's essentially impossible to "round them all up and deport them". It won't work, but will increase funding for the DHS and police (and possibly military).

As someone who does not like Bush, I think he basically has a good realistic working solution for dealing with the problem; I just wish that in his proposal the illegals would go to the end of the line behind those who have followed legal procedures for immigration and who often have to wait up to 10 years.

It is absolutely possible to round them all up and deport them;

You would need to secure the border, build the new fence and place National Guard troops in places where there are no fences. This would free up a large portion of Border Patrol agents to do nothing but round up illegal immigrants and deport them. Of course they will not all be gone right away, it may take 10 years but it can and should be done.

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: db
The immigration issue has been politicized to the point where most people just react rather than thinking it through.
It's an issue that affects all of us regardless of political affiliation.

One absent voice: business. Why do we not hear from the business community? The reality is, employers like cheap labor, and that includes all of us who employ illegals to cut our lawns, Democrats and Republicans alike.

It's essentially impossible to "round them all up and deport them". It won't work, but will increase funding for the DHS and police (and possibly military).

As someone who does not like Bush, I think he basically has a good realistic working solution for dealing with the problem; I just wish that in his proposal the illegals would go to the end of the line behind those who have followed legal procedures for immigration and who often have to wait up to 10 years.

It is absolutely possible to round them all up and deport them;

You would need to secure the border, build the new fence and place National Guard troops in places where there are no fences. This would free up a large portion of Border Patrol agents to do nothing but round up illegal immigrants and deport them. Of course they will not all be gone right away, it may take 10 years but it can and should be done.

keep dreaming there buddy...it is not as simple as rounding up all the immigrants and deporting them because many of them have children who were born in the US and are therefore citizens. Plus, you are not looking at cost implications not only to build a "wall" but also deporting the millions of people who are here. I have heard astronomical figures of the cost associated with deporting everybody. Given the 8-9 trillion deficit the US currently has it is highly unlikely that the US can afford to do so, especially when the government is benefiting from the immigrants and yes even you too. Besides, if the government wanted to control the flow of immigrants it could have done so a long freaking time ago, which is why I don't blame the immigrants. Shoot, if I was poor and knew I could get a job in the US to better my life and my family's I know I would do what I have to, and anybody who says otherwise is a damn liar or an idiot.

 

[babylon5]

America has lost. People too lazy, too greedy, too politically correct to do much of anything. Weak.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: d3n
Somehow our politicians seem to putting this notion that is our highest obligation to make sure these people are accommodated come hell or high water. They've forgotten that they are supposed to represent citizens and that immigration into this country has always been controlled and regulated. The resentment and social conflict is just beginning.

I expect that we'll see more of this as the nation transforms into a third world country (higher percentage of relatively impoverished people) and also as the nation's population explodes. More people + higher percentage being poorer = increased crowding.

After all, someone's going to end up buying all of those empty, foreclosed properties and properties that are just sitting on the market, and how could you turn down the request of a down-on-his-luck relative and his family who couldn't find a halfway decent job in third world America (since we shipped the middle class jobs overseas and imported foreigners to do the ones we didn't ship out)? Perhaps, soon, we'll see extended white American families living together under one roof again, especially in the overcrowded and outrageously expensive large coastal cities.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It becomes a political issue because Democrats typically support the working poor and the rights of immigrants. It also exposes the sometimes hypocritical nature of Democrats in that they are all for social reform and change, so long as it is not in their respective backyards.

Note that the other contradiction is that the Democrats support mass immigration but at the same time claim to want to help America's poor. If they want to help America's poor, why then would they want to increase the supply of impoverished and working class labor (decreasing wages)?

It's similar to Environmentalists (especially the Sierra Club) who claim to want to help the environment while at the same time supporting mass immigration. (More people = greater strain on the environment.)